Lock Out Bad Players from PF/DF?

[Nyvara]

well if I took my joke seriously (meant to be a hyperbole), removing the massive bottom line of bad-to-average players would yes, leave only the top performing players. but the result would end up being the same, we'd just start calling out low DPS players or low DPS healers or tanks who had their tank stance on for 1 extra gcd. We would inevitably find something new to complain about.

Yeah! it's and endless cycle there will always be " bad players" even among the good players then those players would have to go! Then among the remaining there would be "bad players" and on and on until there is only one left then they can have the glory of being the best player in FFXIV right before it gets shuttered, Grats...

[Nora_of_Mira]

Yeah! it's and endless cycle there will always be " bad players" even among the good players then those players would have to go! Then among the remaining there would be "bad players" and on and on until there is only one left then they can have the glory of being the best player in FFXIV right before it gets shuttered, Grats...

And they, themself, would become....the Final Fantasy.

[Granyala]

Doing Expert Dungeons in DF is rly cancer
Doing Weekly Savage in PF is also cancer

1st one: hardly. 95% of the runs are smooth at a decent speed. I usually tank.
2nd one: I can believe that, which is why I only raid via static.

[EdwinLi]

It's ok guys, the full trailer will be up in a couple of days and these threads will stop... for a day or two.

Oh it will still be here but only with a new face because of "X or Y new Job" in PF/DF etc etc

[Videra]

Oh it will still be here but only with a new face because of "X or Y new Job" in PF/DF etc etc

You right.

[GenericMagus]

Bad people will be bad, no matter what you do, no need to have a self-filtering system in a game that's touted for being easy to play and pick up and discriminates against people

[SpiritMuse]

Use pf.

/10char

[Avatre]

Yeah...while in general, I agree that the general playerbase could be better, this is just a really bad idea. I mean, unless you want to actively kill sub count.

But one person's "bad" is another person's "adequate" which is also another person's "godly"....so it all depends on perspective.
Not that I disagree...seen so many runs of things where people say they "know" the mechanics, and "never screw up"(TG in Orbonne for example)...but consistently are the only one to do so...there are definitely a large number of below-average players...and players who think that mechanics are only for cars so they ignore them in game.

It's ok guys, the full trailer will be up in a couple of days and these threads will stop... for a day or two.

Maybe an hour or two...won't stop for longer than that(and it will be while them there trolls are sleeping).

[Bright-Flower]

Troll thread I'm sure, but there's the thing.

You can't just lock people out of DF because it's required to progress through the game.

And if someone gets locked out, they can't improve.

How do you tell if someone's having an off day or if their bad performance is normal? For example on my ninja one night I was tired and just trying to cap tomes before reset and was doing EX roulette. I"m normally pretty good at mist draogn but because I was tired, I spaced out and stood in an aoe and died. How do you determine that from someone's normal play? Or what if someone legit has a lag spike etc?

If you run into someone who is playing terribly, you have a recourse for that. Vote kick them. That is part of the reason the system exists.

There also isn't a way to really enforce this. What are you going to do, have the game log everyone's dps and kick them? What about tanks and healers? How does the game tell the difference between a tank or healer being at fault when a tank dies? It's just not feasible to automate this kind of system and it would be phenomenally stupid to allow players that kind of power.

If you run into so many people that are below your standards that this isn't feasible, then vote kick them. If a dps refuses to use aoes for example, vote kick them. If you run into so many people below your standards that this isn't feasible, well then you're better off just forming a premade.

Duty Finder is used for easy casual content, In party finder, there's no excuse, a bad can be identified and kicked from the party by the leader.

You're always rolling the dice with random players in duty finder.

[Nyvara]

I normally roll with one or two friends g'luck kicking my bad ass!

Might be better if you don't like it then drop and take the penalty.