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[Sandpark]

....Why are we using economy of motion as an excuse for people who just can't map out their hotbars on certain classes properly...and I say certain classes because not all classes suffer like PLD, DRG, and NIN do.

The principles of motion economy are a set of rules and suggestions to improve the manual work in manufacturing and reduce fatigue and unnecessary movements by the worker, which can lead to the reduction of work related trauma. Last I checked, XIV isn't a manufacturing job and if you find playing the game that tedious and fatigue inducing on your fingers and body while you're sitting your butt in a comfy chair, then perhaps you should stop playing the game for long periods of time without taking breaks.

This is a lot of fluffy words that don't go anywhere because economy of motion has nothing to do with someone sitting at home, on their butt, and playing a video game. That is the complete opposite of maximizing a worker's movement and motion performance at their labor intensive job so they can work better, faster, and longer while avoiding fatigue quicker. Economy of motion is more relevant towards martial artists, guitar players, etc....things that actually require you to adjust your body movements accordingly, and playing an MMO is not one of them.

If you're treating XIV like a job or chore, instead of a hobby....then, I think you have other problems with the game entirely than just them not implementing PvP consolidation into PvE.

Wrong ECM applies to music and other things as well. Virtuoso musicians use it play really fast and efficiently moving across fret boards. You are treating it like a job because people can't have nice things due to some wanting things to be more arduous than they need to be.

A finger, wrist, and hand is a part of the body unless you are an alien last time I checked. People who treat it like a job are the types that go on about how easy the game is and people need to get good because their DPS is not machine like. Hobby, job, life goal, who cares what it is classified as? If something can make something more enjoyable for someone else, why do you deny them that or argue against it?

All things are a hobby outside your profession for real life money. If gaming is just a hobby for you, why do you care if they add consolidation or not? If gaming is just a hobby for you, why are you pushing against a quality of life option for other players?

/shaking my head

[Sigma-Astra]

Wrong ECM applies to music and other things as well. Virtuoso musicians use it play really fast and efficiently moving across fret boards. You are treating it like a job because people can't have nice things due to some wanting things to be more arduous than they need to be.

....Did you not read the part I mentioned guitar players? No, I am treating this like a video game, just that, and seeing people wanting something they see in PvP where it places anyone who does that piece of content on a leveled playing field and wanting that in PvE where it's not even close towards the same environment.

A finger, wrist, and hand is a part of the body unless you are an alien last time I checked. People who treat it like a job are the types that go on about how easy the game is and people need to get good because their DPS is not machine like. Hobby, job, life goal, who cares what it is classified as? If something can make something more enjoyable for someone else, why do you deny them that or argue against it?

All things are a hobby outside your profession for real life money. If gaming is just a hobby for you, why do you care if they add consolidation or not? If gaming is just a hobby for you, why are you pushing against a quality of life option for other players?

/shaking my head

This game does not require you to move your hands, fingers, or wrists in consistent rapid movements that would rack your whole body with fatigue. It's all muscle memory and repetition. At best, we could argue that keeping your hands in one position for too long or gripping the controller intensively could give you carpal tunnel. The amount of effort you're trying to stretch this game as following the economy of motion principles is astounding and baffling. You're not going to be pressing your keys (if you're on keyboard) or buttons (if you're on controller) any faster than the GCD will let you for one, and two, you're not going through your rotations at the speed of which a pianist would be using to play Flight of the Bumblebees or Voyage 1969.

You zero in on the word "motion" and think it applies towards every little thing, it really doesn't. However, if we were debating about DDR, then we could say it actually does apply towards it. But, since this is XIV....and quite possibly one of the most relaxed and casual MMO's out there to be playing, it doesn't even come close. The game isn't even as hard as you're trying to make it out to be. You don't even have to treat the game like a job to do good DPS. You just have to try and pay attention. All you have to do....is care enough and want to improve. That's not difficult, though you'll find some questionable people in this community that would make you think otherwise.

Next thing you'll tell me that WoW uses it too or Guild Wars. Furthermore, my self and quite a few others wouldn't mind if it was an optional system to use, but knowing SE it won't be. So, why should the ones who don't want it be forced to use it because people put useless things on their bars sometimes? Honestly, the DPS that decides to ignore their positionals or follow their rotation out of order, the tanks who strictly only want to stay within DPS stance and let mobs go all over the place, the healers who can't heal nor DPS....those people don't deserve a consolidation option as an excuse to not even try to improve. A consolidation option won't save those people nor do they deserve the pleasure of even having one.