Valentine's event 2019 info released

[Camiie]

I mean, with the tagline "love isn't just for couples" I'm fully expecting that.

Yeah, I know. That tagline is clearly a CYA while they tease us with a couple of blushing, shiny young anime style women in romantic poses. In a game that already includes an openly gay couple in one quest line and allows for same sex "bonding" I'm not sure what the problem on SE's end would be at this point. The die is long since cast.

[BillyKaplan]

Yeah, I know. That tagline is clearly a CYA while they tease us with a couple of blushing, shiny young anime style women in romantic poses. In a game that already includes an openly gay couple in one quest line and allows for same sex "bonding" I'm not sure what the problem on SE's end would be at this point. The die is long since cast.

A side quest with plausible deniability, and user actions SE doesn't have to advocate in favor of or even openly support. Kind of like the male bunny outfit, people asked for it enough and now it's out there, doesn't mean SE likes it or cares for it outside the occasional gag in bad taste.

[Camiie]

A side quest with plausible deniability, and user actions SE doesn't have to advocate in favor of or even openly support. Kind of like the male bunny outfit, people asked for it enough and now it's out there, doesn't mean SE likes it or cares for it outside the occasional gag in bad taste.

Pretty weak argument considering all of that is content they willingly included and could have easily avoided if they'd wanted.

[BillyKaplan]

Pretty weak argument considering all of that is content they willingly included and could have easily avoided if they'd wanted.

Being asked about the bunny outfit to the point of being hounded in PLLs, Fanfests and even when he logs into the game isn't something so easily avoided. Now, I wasn't here for when they eventually added same-sex EBs, but they didn't add them out of the box. And if they really wanted to be allies, we'd have gotten more than that flimsy barely a maybe in the WP quests.

[Umeikoai]

A side Kind of like the male bunny outfit, people asked for it enough and now it's out there, doesn't mean SE likes it or cares for it outside the occasional gag in bad taste.

I like the male bunny suit. I wear it quite a lot. In my opinion I think Square Enix should just have sets how they are intended to look regardless of gender. Like a skirt shouldn't magically turn into pants like on so many sets. There's barely any glamour outfits that is a skirt and longsocks for males at all. The male counterparts of a lot of glamour outfits go unused because quite frankly they are usually ugly. Like the supposed male equivalent of the Quaintrelles Dress or the weird Pants when males wear the Spring Bottoms.

[Crushnight]

Have to ask where did the whole SE aren't inclusive came from as far as i have seen they pretty are in ffxiv, the EB was asked for it as soon as they announced the service and they didn't shy away they added it SE are being cautious due to how we in the West are about things they add things gradually base on demand there are few npcs that are around that are never stated but you can tell are LGBTQ+ just like real life we are there but not everyone has their presence known

[Iscah]

I like the male bunny suit. I wear it quite a lot. In my opinion I think Square Enix should just have sets how they are intended to look regardless of gender. Like a skirt shouldn't magically turn into pants like on so many sets. There's barely any glamour outfits that is a skirt and leggings for males at all. The male counterparts of a lot of glamour outfits go unused because quite frankly they are usually ugly. Like the supposed male equivalent of the Quaintrelles Dress or the weird Pants when males wear the Spring Bottoms.

"A skirt turning into pants" is all relative, but the inventory icons for gear always show the male versions, so I'm more inclined to see the pants as the default form and they turn into a skirt for the female version.

But yes, those particular examples are not nice counterparts. (The Boulevardier pants do at least have potential with thigh-length boots, since they tuck in and you lose the silly ruffles.)

And while there are "barely any glamour outfits with skirt and leggings for males" (assuming you mean the Lv1 all-classes gear), that's the case for both genders. Girls don't get leggings, we get miniskirts and long socks and exposed thighs. I would love to have a nice Lv1 skirt with full-length tights under it. It does not exist.

Meanwhile there are quite a few "actual gear" skirts with either tights or close-fitting pants for male characters, but you won't find them in the Lv1 section of the marketboard. (I am overly aware of this because I want to use them, but the female version almost invariably loses the pants.)

From memory (and grouped by shared models - have looked up those):

Acolyte's Skirt (DoM)
Brand-New Waistwrap (DoM)
Cashmere Skirt of Healing
Direwolf Skirt of Healing

Foestriker's Skirt (DoW)
Brand-New Skirt (DoW)
Cashmere Skirt of Aiming
Direwolf Skirt of Aiming

Brand-New Trousers (tank)
[GC] Sergeant's Skirt (tank)
Boarskin Skirt (tank/DRG)
Vermillion Skirt (tank)
Thick Skirt (DRG)
Warwolf Skirt of Maiming

Infantry Skirt (DoW)
Cashmere Skirt of Striking
Direwolf Skirt of Striking

Evoker's Waistclout
Summoner's Waistclout ....I want those pants and I am so jealous. ;_;

Ramie Skirt------------} looser pants, not tights, but they don't evaporate on females and I'll take what I can get.
Chimerical Felt Skirt ---}

Star Velvet Bottoms of Healing/Casting
Ghost Barque Bottoms of Scouting

[Umeikoai]

"A skirt turning into pants" is all relative, but the inventory icons for gear always show the male versions, so I'm more inclined to see the pants as the default form and they turn into a skirt for the female version.

But yes, those particular examples are not nice counterparts. (The Boulevardier pants do at least have potential with thigh-length boots, since they tuck in and you lose the silly ruffles.)

And while there are "barely any glamour outfits with skirt and leggings for males" (assuming you mean the Lv1 all-classes gear), that's the case for both genders. Girls don't get leggings, we get miniskirts and long socks and exposed thighs. I would love to have a nice Lv1 skirt with full-length tights under it. It does not exist.

Meanwhile there are quite a few "actual gear" skirts with either tights or close-fitting pants for male characters, but you won't find them in the Lv1 section of the marketboard. (I am overly aware of this because I want to use them, but the female version almost invariably loses the pants.)

From memory (and grouped by shared models - have looked up those):

Acolyte's Skirt (DoM)
Brand-New Waistwrap (DoM)
Cashmere Skirt of Healing
Direwolf Skirt of Healing

Foestriker's Skirt (DoW)
Brand-New Skirt (DoW)
Cashmere Skirt of Aiming
Direwolf Skirt of Aiming

Brand-New Trousers (tank)
[GC] Sergeant's Skirt (tank)
Boarskin Skirt (tank/DRG)
Vermillion Skirt (tank)
Thick Skirt (DRG)
Warwolf Skirt of Maiming

Infantry Skirt (DoW)
Cashmere Skirt of Striking
Direwolf Skirt of Striking

Evoker's Waistclout
Summoner's Waistclout ....I want those pants and I am so jealous. ;_;

Ramie Skirt------------} looser pants, not tights, but they don't evaporate on females and I'll take what I can get.
Chimerical Felt Skirt ---}

Star Velvet Bottoms of Healing/Casting
Ghost Barque Bottoms of Scouting

Sorry I mean't longsocks that go up past the knee instead of leggings. This is an example of what I mean by longsocks for males as well.


But I do wish Square would have more level one glamour for all classes/gender/race. So that there would be more customization. If the original intent of glamour is suppose to be pants then it should be pants on male and female. If it is a skirt it should be a skirt on male or female. This would help both male and female characters looking for the right look.

[Alestorm]

Sorry I mean't longsocks that go up past the knee instead of leggings. This is an example of what I mean by longsocks for males as well.


But I do wish Square would have more level one glamour for all classes/gender/race. So that there would be more customization. If the original intent of glamour is suppose to be pants then it should be pants on male and female. If it is a skirt it should be a skirt on male or female. This would help both male and female characters looking for the right look.

Meanwhile I just wish tights/stockings didn't just abruptly end at the ankles. It's a bit of a peeve of mine.

[Brynne]

I wasn't here for when they eventually added same-sex EBs, but they didn't add them out of the box.

EB have always allowed you to bond with whoever you want, so I don't know what you mean by "out of the box". Sure, in-game marriage wasn't a thing at launch, but they never released "only opposite genders" EB. They maintained plausible deniability by not calling it marriage and letting you pick whether you kiss or not at the end, so you can make it just a "friendship" bond if you want.