Which Healer has the best DPS Solo

[Ftail]

No, you're missing my point. I understand that 19 Stones will always be less than 20 stones. That 48 Broils will always be less than 49 Broils. But we're comparing healers here. This is a relative comparison. What will X do over a period of time, what will Y do over the same time given all the conditionals involved. The conditions are not always "striking dummy" and I've tried to mention several pieces of solo content that showcase this.

What you posted here contradicts what you stated earlier.

If a white mage has to spend one extra GCD healing themselves over using a nuke it takes an additional 9-10 Stone IV casts before they make up that lost GCD in terms of nukes alone.

I was wrong when I said,

except more so, since they have lower potency on their attacks.

I can admit when I said something wrong, which I linked here to prove my ignorance. SCH is able to beat WHM in DPS, even with a lower potency attacks because they cast it more.

A lost GCD is lost GCD, I hope you can admit your faults and we can come to an agreement that we we're both wrong at points. The reason I argue with people on here is to learn, and I learned a lot, and I hope you can too.

[Ftail]

edit: hitting a dummy is completely different than hitting a moving target that cannot attack back, with no mechanics to avoid.

What do you think Solo content is with no other party members? Do you think it's as hard as a savage fight or something?

1: Wow, just wow. Did anything in my answer warrant an attack on my personal intelligence. I wont degrade myself with a rebuttal here, but maybe you should think a bit more carefully before you reply to someone else's post.

Please be more careful when reading someones else's post and getting offended by it for no reason. Especially, when those people agree with you for the most part.

I really hope what you stated was a hyperbole of a situation that needs to be fixed.

[Ftail]

If I use a GCD to heal that I wouldn't have needed to use had I been on SCH since it has a completely free fairy ticking on me nonstop

Edit: WHM has two regens you can put on yourself, you don't need a fairy to heal you when you have two regens you can put on yourself right before a fight. SCH doesn't have regens on demand, it's on a cooldown for a single regen.

Erakir, I just want to thank you before I stop responding to this thread. You replied to me with information that helped me change my perspective. Other people just say I'm insulting them, so they don't care to read the points I had to make. You are respectful and replied to me in a manner that was constructive to the thread. I actually learned a lot from reading your comments, which was my original goal. Thank you for increasing my knowledge, and arguing with me helped change my perspective on some things. Honestly, it's because of people like you who argue with facts instead of feelings, that I still post on these forums. It's always a delight to read what you have posted.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

W-What's going on here O_o

Anyway... SCH>WHM>AST for solo
SCH>AST>WHM for party.

SCH wins in solo situations because of their crazy self sustainability and mobile options, WHM can come close but will need to stop to heal or avoid an aoe, and as soon as that happens you're losing.

[RopeDrink]

Are people really trying to boil this down to a single GCD being a difference maker? I don't recall any time during solo-content where pre-regen didn't do this for me each and every time with no need to stop - hell you can double-regen for extended battles if you wanted to stop, or asylum-regen if you didn't - all you had to think of as a WHM was getting your target dead. Aside from certain story-mode bosses or very specific fights, you have nothing to do other than cast regen between kills and go ham -- yes, even if Assize pulled extras. It's not like you HAVE to kill extra pulls in most cases, and if you wanted to anyway you can just go HolyMoly and move on. Heck back when I was curious about treasure chests I'd just plop Asylum/Regen and blow up everything with PoM/Holy/AIII without even needing to look at my healthbar. Furthermore, they have the MP Regen to keep this up.

It is not accurate to treat everything like striking-dummies, nor is it accurate to try and be pedantic over minor variables like 'Joe Soap might need to use a heal - oh my!' - there is no doubt in my mind, having recently levelled my AST after spending forever as a WHM, that WHM to this day feels the fastest and smoothest in every situation that both encountered. This isn't the same as comparing it to raiding where situations are far more contained and comparisons are much easier to make via data, mass examples and streamlined processes within static/equal situations.

[Kalise]

Are people really trying to boil this down to a single GCD being a difference maker? I don't recall any time during solo-content where pre-regen didn't do this for me each and every time with no need to stop - hell you can double-regen for extended battles if you wanted to stop, or asylum-regen if you didn't - all you had to think of as a WHM was getting your target dead.

Well, it all came down to the lack of defining "Solo Content"

What is solo content?

Is it overworld?

Is it MSQ?

Is it soloing level 50 Hard Dungeons?

Level 60 Hard Dungeons?

Level 50 Trials?

All these can be considered "Solo Content" if you well... Solo them.

Some can be blasted through without any issue.

Some WILL require you to heal yourself.

Thus DPS will be affected by GCD's spent not pushing out damage.

[Ghishlain]

In case anyone was wondering the raw potency values:

6 min @ 2.5 GCD = 144 GCDs

SCH

• Shadow Flare - 250 potency / 60s = 6 Shadow Flares = 1,500 potency / 6 min
• Miasma - 300 potency / GCD (24s) = 15 GCDs = 4,500 potency / 6 min
• Bio II - 350 potency / GCD (30s) = 12 GCDs = 4,200 potency / 6 min
• Energy Drain - 450 potency / 45s = 3 Energy Drains for Initial + 24 Energy Drains/45s + 6 for Dissipation = 4,950 potency / 6 min
• Broil II - 230 potency / GCD = 117 GCDs = 26,910 potency / 6 min

42,060 potency / 6 min
7,010 potency / min


WHM

• Assize - 400 Potency / 45s = 8 Assize = 3,200 potency / 6 min
• Aero II - 350 potency / GCD (18s) = 20 GCDs = 7,000 potency / 6 min
• Aero III - 370 potency / GCD (24s) = 15 GCDs = 5,550 potency / 6 min
• Stone IV - 250 potency / GCD = 109 GCDs + 4 GCD for PoM = 28,250 potency / 6 min

44,000 potency / 6 min
7,333.33 potency / min

WHM will lose 100 potency per oGCD clip so with 8 Assizes and assuming they all clip you can drop WHM's potency by 800 to 43,200 / 6 min (7,200 potency / min)


AST

• Earthly Star - 200 Potency / 60s = 6 Earthly Star = 1,200 potency / 6 min
• Combust - 500 potency / GCD (30s) = 12 GCDs = 6,000 potency / 6 min
• Malefic III - 220 potency / GCD = 132 GCDs = 29,040 potency / 6 min
• Lord of Crowns - 300 potency / Sleeve Draw = 3 Lord of Crowns = 900 potency / 6 min

37,140 potency / 6 min
6,190 potency / min

Let me know if I missed anything~

Judge what you will from these values too~

[Ceasaria]

For Lord of Crowns of AST, it's more complicated than that.
You need to do probabilites with Draw and Sleeve Draw to be able to calculate the average of Lord of Crowns drawn for your 6 min.

[Mansion]

For Lord of Crowns of AST, it's more complicated than that.
You need to do probabilites with Draw and Sleeve Draw to be able to calculate the average of Lord of Crowns drawn for your 6 min.

Yeah AST is not so straightforward when you got out of "raw potencies" because buffing is in AST's rotation. In 6 minutes, you Draw 12 times and you Sleeve Draw 3 times. If you are solo, then you can Spear/Balance or even Arrow yourself a lot during these 6 minutes, and it will necessarily alter those raw figures, even if you trade off some Lord of Crowns.

[Ghishlain]

I don't disagree with the sentiment above, but I definitely don't have the time to do those calculations at this juncture either, unfortunately.

For an absolute (and also extremely unlikely) maximum , one could assume the AST will have 100% solo Balance uptime.