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[Jandor]

Blue mage weirdly enough feels like it would have really benefited from the old idea of 'class for overworld, jobs for instanced content' split that never really panned out.

Animancer: limited-class, bonus xp from mobs, no duty finder, all abilities are learned in the world.

Blue Mage: unlocks once your animancer spell book is complete, has some set abilities, less freedom to build how you like, can use duty finder, gets expanded spellbook with new abilities to learn from instances.

I'd have Animancer and Blue Mage spellbooks be shared, you can take your job stone off and still use abilities you learned as a BLU. Option to try and break content with crazy builds would still be there for friends in pre-mades.


I enjoyed initial BLU, the leveling to 30, the learning stuff from mobs, that could have been kept without preventing BLU from being a real job.
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(Animancer is just a name, class could be called whatever, Blue Magician if you like .)

[Dualgunner]

You love XIV. You just hate its interpretation of some of its jobs. Fair enough but I wonder if you really think this is how BLU should be-an underpowered weak generic caster that only very rarely uses spells beyond a few of its heavier hitters, of which are themselves fairly weak.

[ChocoFeru]

At the expense of being able to play in the main content of this game (the one you do to progress).

I don't mind a new direction for jobs, but not at this price.

You have other jobs to do that, nobody is forcing you.

Nooooooooow I get it.
Stockholm syndrome.

Not even close.

You love XIV. You just hate its interpretation of some of its jobs. Fair enough but I wonder if you really think this is how BLU should be-an underpowered weak generic caster that only very rarely uses spells beyond a few of its heavier hitters, of which are themselves fairly weak.

The actual BLU is how it's meant to be. The problem is that he doesn't fit the overworld of this game, and that's why they made it a limited job.

Now the thing is to find ways to fit new combat styles instead of the generic "rotation only" formula that we got in the endga,e. Wich is fun and balanced, but I would like to play new stuff wth different mechanics, and BLU seems like a new logic step forward there.

I guess we have to wait long (maybe 6.0?) til BLU can reach the max level and maybe fit into the overworld (and who knows if new "limited" jobs will follow as well)

[TheHeavenAbyss]

You have other jobs to do that, nobody is forcing you.

Well then, why even ask for new jobs? Let's just get more glorified mini games!

Maybe this is not the case with you, but many people like new jobs here and there to play the main content of this game with them, not to leave them parked once they've done their collection quests and go back to other classes when it's time to play the actual main content.

[Dualgunner]

Hence why people asked if you really do like this game. The way ffxiv is built, at its very core, there will be a rotation of abilities. Even BLU as it is now has a rotation of abilities; you can choose to be suboptimal but you can choose that with any job.

Playing new stuff with different mechanics, your best bet is another game and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally speaking I'm playing Kingdom Hearts as a break from XIV.

[Kartel112]

And who got time for blue mage to be an actual mini game it might be cute for the momment but blue mage is an actual class not a limited one and a great class with potential if they play it right blue mage can actually go far but how their mind set is playing it when there is less content for every other class....hey play masked carnival....trick please...

[ChocoFeru]

Hence why people asked if you really do like this game. The way ffxiv is built, at its very core, there will be a rotation of abilities. Even BLU as it is now has a rotation of abilities; you can choose to be suboptimal but you can choose that with any job.

Playing new stuff with different mechanics, your best bet is another game and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally speaking I'm playing Kingdom Hearts as a break from XIV.

I like this game, but I like new stuff as well. I don't want this game to get stagnant.

BLU has lots of skills, and some of them are "suboptimal" because this game doesn't care about elemental weakness outside carnival. That's why it would need a rework of the overworld, but that would mean lots of changes (like BLM changes, wich his main damage spell is only Fire, instead of the true BLM that controls more elements).

Maybe there's a way to fit it, but the game is not ready to fit a job with 49+ skills atm, and it would be a huge mistake to water it down to 24 basic skills just to fit the actual combat system, so that's why they had to limit it. It'll get to level 60 eventually, and lv70 as well.

There's hope that BLU will equal the level of the rest of jobs some day and be a normal job instead of a limited one, and I hope they do it properly. For now it's just not possible, and I'm patient enough to wait even to 6.0

[Valdegarde]

Playing new stuff with different mechanics, your best bet is another game and there's nothing wrong with that.

For sure, which is why I was genuinely trying to offer suggestions, but of course it was taken as offense and thrown back in my face even though I hadn't mentioned Blue Mage at all in that question. I do mean it, for someone who has strong feelings about the classic Final Fantasy jobs existing in some pure form, Final Fantasy Explorers was a nice take on it, including one of my favorite iterations of Blue Mage if one were so inclined.
I do not think FFXIV is necessarily ever going to be FFV-2 or FFT-2 or even FFXI-2, and to wish for that at this point would require an overhaul greater than 1.0 to 2.0. I'm not unsympathetic, I do attempt to understand this point of view, but it's my (subjective) opinion that this would be grounds for another game in the series instead of shoehorning other game's strict versions of jobs into this one. A game which I would very much be looking forward to. (And Bravely Default 3, of course...)

[Dualgunner]

I agree in the desire for this game to not get stagnant. That said, there's only so much things can get shaken up before you essentially have another game. Wanting the overworld to suddenly have elemental affinities to then force a job like BLM to use noncanon spells is where I think that line is. Noncanon because this is XIV first and Final Fantasy second in my eyes; and of course, on Hydaelyn black magic encompasses the elements of ice, thunder and fire in contrast to white magic's earth, wind, and water.

[TheHeavenAbyss]

I agree in the desire for this game to not get stagnant. That said, there's only so much things can get shaken up before you essentially have another game. Wanting the overworld to suddenly have elemental affinities to then force a job like BLM to use noncanon spells is where I think that line is. Noncanon because this is XIV first and Final Fantasy second in my eyes; and of course, on Hydaelyn black magic encompasses the elements of ice, thunder and fire in contrast to white magic's earth, wind, and water.

Not only that, but what about classes that don't even have elements associated with their attacks like almost all melee DPS? The way I see it, adding elemental affinities would create a lot of unfair situations in terms of the usefulness of the different classes. It can be done, but the rework to the game would have to be massive, to the point it would probably stop being the same game gameplay-wise.