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[BillyKaplan]

I think the poster you quoted more meant the dislike for XIV's interpretation of the other jobs.

As well as repeated shows of disdain towards the game's overworld. So, you know, several core elements that make this game what it currently is.

[TheHeavenAbyss]

Or he likes BLU in this game and wants more of that kind of content. That argument can be spun around "Well if you don't like BLU in this game maybe you'd rather play BLU a different game?".

I think the point is that many people who support this version of BLU keep saying how the other jobs are boring anyway and that the content they participate in that BLU is locked out of is also boring.

[Valdegarde]

Or he likes BLU in this game and wants more of that kind of content. That argument can be spun around "Well if you don't like BLU in this game maybe you'd rather play BLU a different game?".

I'm honestly not even referring to Blue Mage in my critique, I feel you might be projecting a little bit. I'm referring to this sweeping dissatisfaction towards none of the jobs being "true" and the entire battle system being broken. I wonder if this person might prefer something like Final Fantasy Explorers, which is still multiplayer but with jobs balanced for the overworld and such.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

I think the poster you quoted more meant the dislike for XIV's interpretation of the other jobs.

As well as repeated shows of disdain towards the game's overworld. So, you know, several core elements that make this game what it currently is.

I think the point is that many people who support this version of BLU keep saying how the other jobs are boring anyway and that the content they participate in that BLU is locked out of is also boring.

I'm honestly not even referring to Blue Mage in my critique, I feel you might be projecting a little bit. I'm referring to this sweeping dissatisfaction towards none of the jobs being "true" and the entire battle system being broken. I wonder if this person might prefer something like Final Fantasy Explorers, which is still multiplayer but with jobs balanced for the overworld and such.

Except...a job that resonated with what he was wanting finally happened and he wants more of that and perhaps for the game to expand into that territory as it goes on.

So @Valdegarde in particular, you state that person said the entire battle system is broken but I just checked their post history, and unless I missed something, I didn't see anything of that sort. They claimed that Summoner is broken in the context it's nothing like it usually is known for which was a common complaint in 2.0 and 3.0 days. Perhaps incorrect wording but the intent is kind of true being that Yoshida himself has stated reasons why SMN isn't the SMN we all know several times throughout the years. You can criticize something, even dislike certain aspects of something without having to drop a game entirely.

So idk, suggesting for him to play another game for criticizing this one just felt weird to me.

[RadicalPesto]

So far I like the idea that we can get true jobs instead of the watered down ones we have right now at level 70, like Warlock with a pet (SMN), Raise Mage (RDM), Fire Mage (BLM) and so on. Jobs that were a classic in the FF series, but FFXIV broke them to fit raid content.

Sometimes I feel like FFXIV is a very strange game that is full of people who don't actually like FFXIV, but play it because its the only modern Final Fantasy with a high fantasy aesthetic. Everything, from the complaints you express about not wanting a "generic caster" with a "generic rotation" makes it seem like you'd rather not be playing a tab target MMO, given that non-rotational classes can't exist in such an environment (hence how we ended with BLU still having a rotation, albeit an extremely simplistic one, and something like 75% of its kit being worthless).

[Elerus]

Sometimes I feel like FFXIV is a very strange game that is full of people who don't actually like FFXIV, but play it because its the only modern Final Fantasy with a high fantasy aesthetic.

Not an unreasonable assertion. I'm a huge Warhammer 40k fan and Gamesworkshops relationship with the video games market is . . . mixed at best. They farm out the license in a "shotgun" approach to game developers, handing out sections of their IP to anyone. As a result there have been some awful, truly terrible, Warhammer and Warhammer 40k games. But what of it? If I want to play a Warhammer IP game then GW has a lock on the market. I either play their offering or go pound sand.

True, I could play another fantasy or science-fiction setting, but while there are excellent offerings out there nothing quite compares to the depth and lore of Gamesworkshop's settings. Like, if a person wants to play a Final Fantasy MMO, and it being FF is the critical consideration, then Square could crap in a box and they would have to accept it or play nothing. Captive audience.

[Duskane]

Sometimes I feel like FFXIV is a very strange game that is full of people who don't actually like FFXIV, but play it because its the only modern Final Fantasy with a high fantasy aesthetic. Everything, from the complaints you express about not wanting a "generic caster" with a "generic rotation" makes it seem like you'd rather not be playing a tab target MMO, given that non-rotational classes can't exist in such an environment (hence how we ended with BLU still having a rotation, albeit an extremely simplistic one, and something like 75% of its kit being worthless).

its pretty true
but even those people who continue to hate on the game always keep there sub up
probably just so they have something more to complain about

but the irony here is that Blue is also watered down to where it cant really function to well

[ChocoFeru]

With all due respect, are you sure you wouldn't rather just be playing an entirely different game?

With all due respect, are you sure you wouldn't rather just be playing another job?

Maybe we don't want another generic job with a generic rotation that destroys the Job's essence.

Sometimes I feel like FFXIV is a very strange game that is full of people who don't actually like FFXIV, but play it because its the only modern Final Fantasy with a high fantasy aesthetic. Everything, from the complaints you express about not wanting a "generic caster" with a "generic rotation" makes it seem like you'd rather not be playing a tab target MMO, given that non-rotational classes can't exist in such an environment (hence how we ended with BLU still having a rotation, albeit an extremely simplistic one, and something like 75% of its kit being worthless).

I play since 1.0 and I love this game. That's why I like being critic about it, because I love it and I want this game to improve.

The actual job system can be fun and balanced, but the jobs are badly represented as I mentioned before.
SMN is a joke, it could be called something else. BLM is a fire mage. RDM is not RDM, it's just a caster with a placebo cure and a raise.


For once, we got a chance to play a job like it's meant to be played. Let's not waste this chance for once.

[TheHeavenAbyss]

For once, we got a chance to play a job like it's meant to be played.

At the expense of being able to play in the main content of this game (the one you do to progress).

I don't mind a new direction for jobs, but not at this price.

[BillyKaplan]

I play since 1.0 and I love this game..

Nooooooooow I get it.
Stockholm syndrome.