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    Quote Originally Posted by 24spencer View Post
    you can play semantics about the 1 or 2 spells that technically come from low level dungeons all you want, but it's pretty obvious to anyone that the comment was referring to the level 50 dungeons. don't be facetious.
    I'm sorry but the OP is pretty clear, and goes as far as giving detailed figures:
    24 out of 49 spells are locked behind dungeons/trials. There is no way or extremely hard to solo them.
    They refer explicitely to every skill learned in dungeons and trials. Not exclusively Lv.50 dungeons. And, by the way, there are some Lv.50 dungeons that you can solo to get a skill.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Why must you wait until you’re level 50, though? Why couldn’t you have the broken ability to solo Tam-Tara at level? What’s the point of doing it solo at level 50 when you could just go in at level 16 with a level 70 and steamroll? That’s my thought-process on it, anyways.

    And this doesn’t even address having to get the skills locked behind the level 50 dungeons, the ARR Extremes, Coil, and Hildebrand’s Trials.
    Well, people argue that they can't do that stuff solo, but I'm ready to prove them wrong for a good number of instances (not all, obviously).
    If now you want to add the condition of being able to solo everything needed to learn skills at the same level as the content you are trying to do, you can, but I cannot help you in that case, as you are asking for something quite different.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKimper View Post
    No thanks, I'll just have my much more useful level 70 friend one shot the mobs with their basic GCD skill that takes absolutely no effort while I hang in the back and spam some fish.

    Works like a charm.
    Oh, if that's what you want to do, then go for it!



    Quote Originally Posted by Valdegarde View Post
    Oh, I have over a month ago, the only person I've ignored on here. Nothing constructive comes out of interacting with this person.
    Sorry that I hurt you with facts
    I just want people to use good arguments. If I can disprove them with objective statements, then they aren't good arguments.

    Edit for the sake of clarity: I already explained why I was doing that. If you don't use good arguments, if you are using easily refutable stuff or even inaccuracies, then you will never get what you want from SE. If you think that actually trying to get people to understand how to argue better in order to get what they want is "trolling" or "white knighting", then you are shooting yourself in the foot.

    Regarding the current subject: it is factually true to say that a lot of skills can be acquired solo. Even a lot of the ones in dungeons/trials/raid. If you complain that "we can't easily get 25 skills from dungeons/trials!", SE can simply say "oh, just go get them somewhere else or use the undersized party option to do them at level 50!"
    Square Enix is like these bad genies. As soon as you wish for something, they will try to find the flaws in what you said to either deliver something you didn't actually wished for, or simply not deliver at all while throwing a few dissapointing sentences in the next liveletter.

    If I argue so hard against bad arguments, it's to get good arguments that SE can't bruff off easily. If you think that's qualifies as trolling, then keep what you're doing. We'll see who was right when SE will answer. If they ever do.

    Edit2: "Thanks" to Deceptus, I was able to see that quote:
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephera View Post
    Haha, you said you put me on your ignore list back in that other thread. Did I hurt you with facts back there?
    No, I blacklisted you because you had no respect for my time, I already told you. The only way to hurt people with facts is to contradict some of their precious subjective opinions. Unfortunatly for you, I almost never state my personal opinion. I mostly argue with objective statements, proofs, and facts. You will never hurt me with facts, they are the very tool I use to argue.

    Others: "28 skills cannot be obtained by playing solo! But SE said it was a solo job!"
    Me: "Actually, you can learn a lot of "dungeon spells while playing solo. And SE also mentionned party play with BLU."
    Others: "OMG! You are such a troll! White knight! Condescending prick!"
    This is basically what most "debate" I have boil down to. You might understand why I do blacklist some people. Including you.
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