Blue mage is a waste of potential, change my mind.

[Valdegarde]

Fyce seems to just be a troll. That or they are truly unable to grasp logic. Either way I've basically ignored them on all these threads of late.

Oh, I have over a month ago, the only person I've ignored on here. Nothing constructive comes out of interacting with this person.

[Fyce]

you can play semantics about the 1 or 2 spells that technically come from low level dungeons all you want, but it's pretty obvious to anyone that the comment was referring to the level 50 dungeons. don't be facetious.

I'm sorry but the OP is pretty clear, and goes as far as giving detailed figures:

24 out of 49 spells are locked behind dungeons/trials. There is no way or extremely hard to solo them.

They refer explicitely to every skill learned in dungeons and trials. Not exclusively Lv.50 dungeons. And, by the way, there are some Lv.50 dungeons that you can solo to get a skill.

Why must you wait until you’re level 50, though? Why couldn’t you have the broken ability to solo Tam-Tara at level? What’s the point of doing it solo at level 50 when you could just go in at level 16 with a level 70 and steamroll? That’s my thought-process on it, anyways.

And this doesn’t even address having to get the skills locked behind the level 50 dungeons, the ARR Extremes, Coil, and Hildebrand’s Trials.

Well, people argue that they can't do that stuff solo, but I'm ready to prove them wrong for a good number of instances (not all, obviously).
If now you want to add the condition of being able to solo everything needed to learn skills at the same level as the content you are trying to do, you can, but I cannot help you in that case, as you are asking for something quite different.

No thanks, I'll just have my much more useful level 70 friend one shot the mobs with their basic GCD skill that takes absolutely no effort while I hang in the back and spam some fish.

Works like a charm.

Oh, if that's what you want to do, then go for it!

Oh, I have over a month ago, the only person I've ignored on here. Nothing constructive comes out of interacting with this person.

Sorry that I hurt you with facts
I just want people to use good arguments. If I can disprove them with objective statements, then they aren't good arguments.

Edit for the sake of clarity: I already explained why I was doing that. If you don't use good arguments, if you are using easily refutable stuff or even inaccuracies, then you will never get what you want from SE. If you think that actually trying to get people to understand how to argue better in order to get what they want is "trolling" or "white knighting", then you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Regarding the current subject: it is factually true to say that a lot of skills can be acquired solo. Even a lot of the ones in dungeons/trials/raid. If you complain that "we can't easily get 25 skills from dungeons/trials!", SE can simply say "oh, just go get them somewhere else or use the undersized party option to do them at level 50!"
Square Enix is like these bad genies. As soon as you wish for something, they will try to find the flaws in what you said to either deliver something you didn't actually wished for, or simply not deliver at all while throwing a few dissapointing sentences in the next liveletter.

If I argue so hard against bad arguments, it's to get good arguments that SE can't bruff off easily. If you think that's qualifies as trolling, then keep what you're doing. We'll see who was right when SE will answer. If they ever do.

Edit2: "Thanks" to Deceptus, I was able to see that quote:

Haha, you said you put me on your ignore list back in that other thread. Did I hurt you with facts back there?

No, I blacklisted you because you had no respect for my time, I already told you. The only way to hurt people with facts is to contradict some of their precious subjective opinions. Unfortunatly for you, I almost never state my personal opinion. I mostly argue with objective statements, proofs, and facts. You will never hurt me with facts, they are the very tool I use to argue.

Others: "28 skills cannot be obtained by playing solo! But SE said it was a solo job!"
Me: "Actually, you can learn a lot of "dungeon spells while playing solo. And SE also mentionned party play with BLU."
Others: "OMG! You are such a troll! White knight! Condescending prick!"
This is basically what most "debate" I have boil down to. You might understand why I do blacklist some people. Including you.

[Zephera]

Sorry that I hurt you with facts
I just want people to use good arguments. If I can disprove them with objective statements, then they aren't good arguments.

Haha, you said you put me on your ignore list back in that other thread. Did I hurt you with facts back there?

If I argue so hard against bad arguments, it's to get good arguments that SE can't bruff off easily. If you think that's qualifies as trolling, then keep what you're doing. We'll see who was right when SE will answer. If they ever do.

SE will respond to quantity of complaints, not quality of the complaints. This is true for any company, you can easily brush off a single well written complaint because it's only one person who cares., But you can't brush off several hundred poorly written ones, they're just much more visible.

[Deceptus]

Haha, you said you put me on your ignore list back in that other thread. Did I hurt you with facts back there?

Today I learned you can ignore posters.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

130 potency mage
too overpowered for normal play by the way

Doing 90 damage per cast in Haukke almost broke the servers.

[HyoMinPark]

Well, people argue that they can't do that stuff solo, but I'm ready to prove them wrong for a good number of instances (not all, obviously).
If now you want to add the condition of being able to solo everything needed to learn skills at the same level as the content you are trying to do, you can, but I cannot help you in that case, as you are asking for something quite different.

This is exactly my point. BLU was advertised as a solo job (one that is so “powerful” and “broken” that it cannot participate in “normal duties” like the other 15 combat jobs). So, why is it that, in order to get the abilities locked behind duties, that I have to either group up with 3~7 other BLUs to do the content at level (with some limping depending on each BLU’s personal skill) or do the content with a level 70 unsynced? It seems that the developers intended parties of BLUs for things like the Extreme trial skills (I believe Shiva’s you can only get from her EX, not from her HM like you can Mountain Buster, to give an example), but that inherently defeats their “solo job” argument. Why can’t I solo everything at an appropriate level? Doing Tam-Tara at level 50 is the equivalent of just unsyncing it at 70 — you’re just 20 levels lower, but you’ll still more or less steamroll it. Doesn’t really fit into my personal idea of “solo job” (or “overpowered”/“broken”, unless we mean “broken” in the opposite direction), to be frank.
Same with how BLU cannot do primarily solo content, like utilize their Squadrons or even do MSQ (there are the 2.x MSQ after “The Ultimate Weapon”). It’s yet to be seen if they’ll be able to do HW MSQ (when raised to level 60) or SB MSQ (when eventually raised to 70), as well as other content just as PotD or HoH. They can’t even do Hall of Novice. But that’s a different argument that I addressed previously.

[Stanelis]

Blue Mage Is too Overpowered: This job is more like a Red Mage. Jack of All Trades and master of none. It doesn't do anything better than any individual job role.

Color me surprised, that's what we ve been saying even before blu was released.

[Kuroka]

Lol i did just 160+ ramuh runs, thanks, ill continue after a nerf. I dont have THIS much time to waste.

[Fyce]

This is exactly my point. BLU was advertised as a solo job (one that is so “powerful” and “broken” that it cannot participate in “normal duties” like the other 15 combat jobs). So, why is it that, in order to get the abilities locked behind duties, that I have to either group up with 3~7 other BLUs to do the content at level (with some limping depending on each BLU’s personal skill) or do the content with a level 70 unsynced? It seems that the developers intended parties of BLUs for things like the Extreme trial skills (I believe Shiva’s you can only get from her EX, not from her HM like you can Mountain Buster, to give an example), but that inherently defeats their “solo job” argument. Why can’t I solo everything at an appropriate level? Doing Tam-Tara at level 50 is the equivalent of just unsyncing it at 70 — you’re just 20 levels lower, but you’ll still more or less steamroll it. Doesn’t really fit into my personal idea of “solo job” (or “overpowered”/“broken”, unless we mean “broken” in the opposite direction), to be frank.

Well, first, it was "advertised" as "designed for solo play", not "able to solo all content while being level synced'" which is what you're asking for. Most things that BLU has to offer is doable solo. The only things that's not doable solo (yet, I bet a Lv.70 BLU will be able to do these things solo) are: getting the six 5* primal spells, as well as 8 specific other skills. And that's about it. And yes, it implies using the unsync option.
Besides, SE also released promotional materials of Blue Mages playing together and spoke about party play, implying that Blue Mage wasn't all about solo play.

Whatever the case, and no matter how you argue against it, being able to solo Tam Tara at level 50 is still... being able to solo it. You don't need a party, you don't need a Lv.70 friend. You can just go solo.
What you argue is that it can't do it solo while being level sync'ed. And I agree with you here, it can't. Never said it could.

Now, whether or not it should be able to solo all content while being level sync'ed is another story, because that would required having a toolkit which basically erase any kind of difficulties instanced content can offer. This would mean reducing damage to negligible amounts, dealing insane amount of damage to everything in order to meet DPS checks, and being able to somehow ignore wipe mechanics that would require multiple people (T9 golems merging together, for example. There are countless mechanics like this.).
And I not sure what you'd want to achieve with such a job. Yeah, technically this job would be able to solo stuff. But would that be more fun than doing Tam Tara solo with a Lv.70 job? I highly doubt so.

Same with how BLU cannot do primarily solo content, like utilize their Squadrons or even do MSQ (there are the 2.x MSQ after “The Ultimate Weapon”). It’s yet to be seen if they’ll be able to do HW MSQ (when raised to level 60) or SB MSQ (when eventually raised to 70), as well as other content just as PotD or HoH. They can’t even do Hall of Novice. But that’s a different argument that I addressed previously.

This is another thing entirely. While I agree on the subject of Squadron missions, I think the reason why they locked the MSQ out from BLU is that new players don't get screwed by only playing BLU and then get to a wall when the required level for the MSQ becomes higher than BLU's max level. That's the only explanation I see.
As for Deep Dungeons, the start of these dungeons sync your level down, and make regular job lose a lot of skills in the process. BLU wouldn't be impacted by that, so this specific period would be imbalanced in group play. But in group play only. They could allow BLU to go in solo without much problem. Leaderboards are separated by job anyway.

[Corue]

Did nobody playtest this bloody class? What's the purpose of it? Half the "OP" skills either don't work on enemies that matter or kill you upon use. The other half are so woefully underpowered that literally spamming one spell is the optimal strategy. The potency of primal spells is completely negated by their long cooldown. You'd be contributing more damage by doing your aggro combo as a tank in tank stance.

The leveling is completely unfun. Due to your aforementioned underpoweredness all you can really do is hit packs of mobs with 1K needles because everything else hits like a wet lettuce. It's only until you get your primal spells at 50 does it feel like you're even doing any damage. To actually get those skills is the worst grind in this game that I've ever experienced. I refuse to believe that SE expected full BLU parties to do EX trials given the drop rate and the amount of time it actually takes you to finish some. Shiva is the worst example of this because if someone gets hit by the ice gaols I don't think your party can muster the DPS to actually free them. They're just dead.

Masked Carnivale is fun until you do all the challenges and then you're just left with an unsatisfying, empty feeling. What now? You can't queue for dungeons because you're locked from DF. You can't use your cool new skills because they don't work on relevant enemies. You can't do synced fights because of how weak you are. You can't do relevant content because you're capped at 50. All you can do is meme about by self-destructing in town.

BLU is not broken in the sense in that it's too powerful for the systems in place to handle it. BLU is broken because it just doesn't work.
Delete BLU and start over.

Before anyone says I haven't played it.