As an FFXI player, thank you for Limited Jobs and BLU SE

[The_Distinguished_Anarchist]

Plays a game for a few days 15 years ago and is still ranting about how much they hate it and wants everyone to take him seriously...

My judgments of that game are not an opinion. It's not an opinion that, during the time I played, three-quarters of your play time was spent waiting around. It's not an opinion that people have actually suffered severe health problems playing that game as it was previously designed: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...Induces-Puking

It was so bad that SquareEnix had to include the equivalent of a surgeon general's health warning that you had to acknowledge every time you logged in.

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Exploring Vana'diel is a thrilling experience.
During your time here, you will be able to talk, join and adventure with other individuals in an experience that is unique to online games.

That being said, we have no desire to see your real life suffer as a consequence.
Don't forget your family, your friends, your school, or your work.

This friendly reminder was hoghwash.
That game was designed to make you forget about your school and your work.

And it's also not an opinion that not one single person here has thus far attempted to defend what that game was. Only what it is now.

When you have players who come on these forums and post in all caps that, "FFXIV IS NOT FFXI", these are the kinds of things we are talking about. Final Fantasy XI is an objectively improved experience the less it is made to resemble Final Fantasy XI. This -ism also holds true for Final Fantasy XIV.

[Videra]

My judgments of that game are not an opinion.

So you clearly don't know how opinions work. Good to know. Please, don't feed the troll.

[Alucard135]

It was so bad that SquareEnix had to include the equivalent of a surgeon general's health warning that you had to acknowledge every time you logged in.

You just killed your own argument with this line and the article. So you're basically saying that the game was so bad, they had to tell people to stop playing it?? If a game was that bad, they wouldn't have to include such a warning. People would just quit it after a short while. Unless you mean by bad a game that is bad for your health lol.

[Edax]

You just killed your own argument with this line and the article.

He's done that a couple times already.

No one should like that game.
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I fully understand that some people love game like this. They love a game that requires time, patience, and dedication in order to accomplish things. Some people even enjoy the game's leisurely (now I'm mincing words) pace, as it makes Vana'diel more realistic and immersive.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

The thing is, Final Fantasy XI was an objectively terrible game.

In 2012 it was the most profitable Final Fantasy game of all time. You may not like it, but games don't rake in money like this if they aren't enjoyed by many who do like it.
Also, let's can the "objectively" arguments as there is only subjective here because it truly is all opinions.

I mean in my point of view, most of what you said are pros in my book for an MMORPG.

Your attitude of, "It suits my needs so you need to be quiet", is the most toxic attitude you can possibly have.

Someone argued politely with you and you call them "toxic". Throwing around labels like this doesn't do anything except make you look silly for taking it to that extreme off the drop of a hat.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Pls don’t do my dream job dirty like this. I want a job-job not a mini game.

You seem to not understand the differences between a Blue Mage and a Dancer.

You didn't have to do anything specific for Dancer in FFXI, so why would you in this game? The Blue Mage setup is reminiscent of classic Final Fantasy games, so obviously this was how it was going to be.

And... a "job-job" is a odd thing to say as BLU is very much a job at the end of the day. I suppose people have gotten into a comfortable state where if SE experiments outside of the 3 roles it leads to weird claims such as this.

Another thing people are forgetting is that we're locked to level 50 at the moment and throughout the past few years, people have been complaining level 50 is boring on all jobs. I'd wait until we get the full Blue Mage before the panicking starts.

[MrKimper]

You seem to not understand the differences between a Blue Mage and a Dancer.

You didn't have to do anything specific for Dancer in FFXI, so why would you in this game? The Blue Mage setup is reminiscent of classic Final Fantasy games, so obviously this was how it was going to be.

And... a "job-job" is a odd thing to say as BLU is very much a job at the end of the day. I suppose people have gotten into a comfortable state where if SE experiments outside of the 3 roles it leads to weird claims such as this.

Another thing people are forgetting is that we're locked to level 50 at the moment and throughout the past few years, people have been complaining level 50 is boring on all jobs. I'd wait until we get the full Blue Mage before the panicking starts.

Except DNC in the old games(which BLU was based off of) learned their dances by talking to other dancers in taverns.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Except DNC in the old games(which BLU was based off of) learned their dances by talking to other dancers in taverns.

I believe that was just Final Fantasy 6. I don't recall that in 5 or the Tactics games. The BLU learning in this game is very similar to the one in FFXI. That said, if they do make it based off 6, I'm sure it'd be more entertaining for the masses than the BLU setup.

[Burningskull]

I played FFXI for a few years. I loved the World and Lore and the Job system reminded me of FFT which was the first game I played that had the Job system. But I hated the mechanics of the game I wouldn't want any thing from that game to come into FFXIV. Eureka is already FFXI in a nutshell. Let that be the last thing we get from FFXI.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

I played FFXI for a few years. I loved the World and Lore and the Job system reminded me of FFT which was the first game I played that had the Job system. But I hated the mechanics of the game I wouldn't want any thing from that game to come into FFXIV. Eureka is already FFXI in a nutshell. Let that be the last thing we get from FFXI.

Eureka is no FFXI. It takes a few things from it but doesn't take the most important and fun attributes of it and leaves it shallow and wanting for more.

That said, I do enjoy Eureka for what it tried to be even if it didn't deliver all the way.