As an FFXI player, thank you for Limited Jobs and BLU SE

[Skivvy]

Ah.

So the Final Fantasy XI experience has been vastly improved by making it not the Final Fantasy XI experience.

Why do we want to go back to that again in FFXIV?

So you complain about the slow leveling, and when the QOL change to XP gets mentioned, you mock it for not giving the "XI experience". XI isn't a great game just because it had slow leveling, and if that's the point you're trying to make, it's a bad one. You are obviously heavily biased against the game, so I doubt this will go anywhere but in more circles.

For what it's worth, I'm not in the camp that wants XIV to be more like XI. I've come to terms with the fact that SE went off on a very different path with XIV. I still sub to both when I feel like it as I enjoy particular things about both. At this point all I really want them to steal from XI is the glam system.

[Theodric]

If there's one thing that's consistent with the Final Fantasy fandom, it's that you're never far from someone with an irrational hatred for a specific title in the franchise. They'll swear up and down that it's the worst thing ever but the reality is that even the more controversial titles have a decent amount of fans. In the case of FFXI, it wasn't even a particularly controversial game. Don't mistake not liking something for it being terrible. That isn't at all how you review things.

[The_Distinguished_Anarchist]

So you complain about the slow leveling, and when the QOL change to XP gets mentioned, you mock it for not giving the "XI experience".

That the game is vastly improved by straying from it's original formula as much as possible doesn't give you the least bit of pause, does it?

You are obviously heavily biased against the game.

Yes.
I first played six months after launch in the US, and stopped exactly 75 hours of play time later.
See I have this problem where I generally don't stick with things that are awful.

If there's one thing that's consistent with the Final Fantasy fandom, it's that you're never far from someone with an irrational hatred for a specific title in the franchise. They'll swear up and down that it's the worst thing ever but the reality is that even the more controversial titles have a decent amount of fans. In the case of FFXI, it wasn't even a particularly controversial game. Don't mistake not liking something for it being terrible. That isn't at all how you review things.

I'm going to have to take exception to your use of the word irrational.

There is nothing irrational about my disgust with Final Fantasy XI. It is based solely upon playing and analyzing the game and its content divorced from the fact that it is is a numbered Final Fantasy title. The reason why it wasn't a controversial title is because there was nothing controversial about it. It was an awful game. You either tolerated that awfulness because you wanted the Final Fantasy experience in an MMO, or you turned around and ran for the hills as fast as you could.

You can tell me all you want about how much "better" things are nowadays with all the many changes that have been made, but that is not a defense of what the game was. That's an indictment of it.

Don't mistake your own personal nostalgia for a quality experience. That isn't how you review things.

[Videra]

ITT: People state opinions as facts, 2019.

[Aeloria]

That the game is vastly improved by straying from it's original formula as much as possible doesn't give you the least bit of pause, does it?


Yes.
I first played six months after launch in the US, and stopped exactly 75 hours of play time later.
See I have this problem where I generally don't stick with things that are awful.




I'm going to have to take exception to your use of the word irrational.

There is nothing irrational about my disgust with Final Fantasy XI. It is based solely upon playing and analyzing the game and its content divorced from the fact that it is is a numbered Final Fantasy title. The reason why it wasn't a controversial title is because there was nothing controversial about it. It was an awful game. You either tolerated that awfulness because you wanted the Final Fantasy experience in an MMO, or you turned around and ran for the hills as fast as you could.

You can tell me all you want about how much "better" things are nowadays with all the many changes that have been made, but that is not a defense of what the game was. That's an indictment of it.

Don't mistake your own personal nostalgia for a quality experience. That isn't how you review things.

We get it. You don't like 11. It doesn't mean its actually an awful game and that no one should like it as you so put it in another reply. It just means it wasn't for you. Considering it is coming upon its what 16th? 17th? anniversary in may, receiving monthly content updates and new content additions tells me something. Doesn't it tell you something? Well anyway, I personally find it to be a charming game with neat quirks and oddities that you won't find in today's mmo's.

[Skivvy]

That the game is vastly improved by straying from it's original formula as much as possible doesn't give you the least bit of pause, does it?

I first played six months after launch in the US, and stopped exactly 75 hours of play time later.

So you last played about 16 years ago and you didn't expect anything to change since then?

[HyoMinPark]

I would love to see this idea fleshed out even more so, maybe even have stuff like an alternative Summoner down the road, Puppetmaster, Beastmaster, Dancer, etc.

All in all... Thank you, SE for listening to us FFXI players. It is much appreciated.

I am glad that you are enjoying BLU and it being a Limited Job. However, I would rather not see Dancer as a Limited Job. If the rumors/leaks are true, I’ve been very much looking forward to the idea of DNC being a viable combat job—so much so that I may swap my raiding main from BRD to DNC. I would not be pleased to see it end up a Limited Job, particularly because I personally feel underwhelmed with BLU itself.

[Ilan]

So you guys would rather have Blue Mage play like every other class in this game? In the same boring treadmill, in the same boring rotations, in the same boring meta? Heaven forbid we have something we have to think outside of the box for instead of the same 2x4 box we've been using since the game came out.

And what is it now? A minigame where you play a job that can't even get the skills needed alone but is not allowed to que up for dungeons the regular way because it is to "op". Its so "op" it even misses its skills in hauke manor. Yeah it sounds really unique and engaging to me that i have to run ARR content to play a job that came out in SB...oh wait i can't even play it in SB content because it would be too "op" to miss my skills on bosses in level 70 content.

[Floortank]

If you want a game to be like FFXI, go play FFXI.

FFXIV ISN'T FFXI, STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT BE.

Why don't you go back to WOW?

I'd hate to end up in a party with someone who thinks the expectation of competence in a three button rotation is comparable to the effort that goes into a FFXIV rotation.

[AnimaAnimus]

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Plays a game for a few days 15 years ago and is still ranting about how much they hate it and wants everyone to take him seriously...

I still play both games and frankly XI still is a better experience. But that's just my opinion. Could you imagine if I would rant on 8 pages worth of posts for literal days about all the games I didn't like? Holy moly, I would feel the need to take a moment of self examination. But nope, I may make a comment about how its not for me but then I just don't play that game, if someone else wants to, cool beans.