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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Oh stop cherry picking that one slide, or that single line that reads "Solo Play",
    didn't anyone else see the rest of the presentation?



    Riiiiight here, it's not cherry picking SE sold us that is was going to be a "solo class" right after a BLU killing Shiva and gaining her Glass Dance spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post


    Riiiiight here, it's not cherry picking SE sold us that is was going to be a "solo class" right after a BLU killing Shiva and gaining her Glass Dance spell.
    Thanks for demonstrating how to cherry pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Thanks for demonstrating how to cherry pick, and base everything on a single slide and/or line.
    I don't get how thats cherrypicking when it literally says on the slide "Not Suited for Parties" but i'll indulge you if for a bit:

    Why can't BLUs use DF? Because it's a solo class. What is its endgame then? The Carnivale, which is surprisingly solo, shocker. Its gameplay devolves around using non-rotated spells, healing, debuffs, to benefit the player not in a trinity, almost like a...solo class? You have to collect spells to, once again, take part in the Carnivale which is solo endgame.I could go on but ignorance is bliss it was sold as a solo class and what we got was a class that has no identity because it can't fill one as a collectathon mage that has to bring in level 70s to solo its own solo content minus the Carnivale.

    So if its not a solo class that you can meander on the overworld then what is it? Because it sure as hell isn't some OP class that can smooth its way onto actual content, its locked behind 2 expansions that feels like a time share real estate property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    I don't get how thats cherrypicking when it literally says on the slide "Not Suited for Parties" but i'll indulge you if for a bit:

    Why can't BLUs use DF? Because it's a solo class. What is its endgame then? The Carnivale, which is surprisingly solo, shocker. Its gameplay devolves around using non-rotated spells, healing, debuffs, to benefit the player not in a trinity, almost like a...solo class? You have to collect spells to, once again, take part in the Carnivale which is solo endgame.I could go on but ignorance is bliss it was sold as a solo class and what we got was a class that has no identity because it can't fill one as a collectathon mage that has to bring in level 70s to solo its own solo content minus the Carnivale.

    So if its not a solo class that you can meander on the overworld then what is it? Because it sure as hell isn't some OP class that can smooth its way onto actual content, its locked behind 2 expansions that feels like a time share real estate property.
    Maybe i mistook the presentation, then.... especially when they talked about the part about preformed parties under Progression, thats when i thought it wasn't an "Exclusively Solo" class, its a solo class yes, but when you throw in "preformed parties" you'd think the idea of exclusively solo would wane off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    I don't get how thats cherrypicking when it literally says on the slide "Not Suited for Parties" but i'll indulge you if for a bit:
    what you're doing there is called "Cherry picking", its like basing an entire novel's quality on a single line in the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    what you're doing there is called "Cherry picking", its like basing an entire novel's quality on a single line in the book.
    No I'm just giving you factual evidence of the class if I wanted to take a one liner and say BLU is a solo class because of the slide I would have, I used it in conjunction with how the class is as we got it and were promised, I am not cherry picking. You do do dude at the end of the day we were promised a "unique" experience that was in the form of a solo class if I wanted to cherry pick I could go on about how the class isn't intuitive, it's lacking, once you level and hit 50 it loses all meaning etc, now that is cherry picking.

    I backed my claims up and stand by them BLU isn't in a great state for what SE promised us, a solo class, not suited for parties, whose endgame is shallow and underwhelming as well as all the spells that are lacking as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Thanks for demonstrating how to cherry pick.
    They literally called it a solo focused job all throughout the keynote. What are you even talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Thanks for demonstrating how to cherry pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post


    Riiiiight here, it's not cherry picking SE sold us that is was going to be a "solo class" right after a BLU killing Shiva and gaining her Glass Dance spell.
    Important thing to note, when Glass Dance was got in that presentation, the BLU was alone. As in no one else there. As in we were lead to believe BLU was so powerful it could solo Primals.
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