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  1. #51
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    Oh stop cherry picking that one slide, or that single line that reads "Solo Play",
    didn't anyone else see the rest of the presentation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Oh stop cherry picking that one slide, or that single line that reads "Solo Play",
    didn't anyone else see the rest of the presentation?



    Riiiiight here, it's not cherry picking SE sold us that is was going to be a "solo class" right after a BLU killing Shiva and gaining her Glass Dance spell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Oh stop cherry picking that one slide, or that single line that reads "Solo Play",
    didn't anyone else see the rest of the presentation?

    Imagine locking a job out of duty finder and then telling people to form their own groups through party finder. Why not just make a BLU exclusive duty finder option at the very least? or why not just increase the amount of EXP they earn in both dungeons AND the overworld.

    The job was literally described as a solo focused experience with it's own solo content (The masked carnival). The issue with your slide is that it doesn't change the entire keynote they had about why BLU wouldn't be allowed in duty finder and was more of a solo content for players. The issues people are having isn't even that it CAN use party finder to be carried by 70's but that it HAS to use it, on top of the drop rates being terrible.

    All of this coupled with the fact that quest progression is locked behind these skills and that quests don't even give you equipment to help with leveling, just makes this the absolute most frustrating thing I've ever experienced in this game oh and if you WANT to try to solo an instance for a skill well, no EXP for you.

    It's just such a contradictory job in both design and implementation that I just don't get what they were planning with this, the worst victim here is the learning system. Learning is FUN it is incredibly fun, at least in the overworld where you can grind to your leisure, levels 1-20 on BLU are an absolute blast as long as you're going for overworld kills. If you don't get a skill? just move to the next mob, see another BLU going after the same enemy? help him out, can't get a certain skill from a certain mob? try going somewhere else. It's fun intuitive and diverse.

    Why they would stick such an amazing and fun system behind this arbitrary gate of "Limited Solo Content" boggles my absolute mind. If you're enjoying it, that's fine I'm not going to stop anyone from enjoying this gameplay, but you cannot honestly tell me your fun would be ruined if BLU could keep learning AND be a full time regular job.
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  4. #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post


    Riiiiight here, it's not cherry picking SE sold us that is was going to be a "solo class" right after a BLU killing Shiva and gaining her Glass Dance spell.
    Thanks for demonstrating how to cherry pick.
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    Last edited by FantasyFuel; 01-20-2019 at 05:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Thanks for demonstrating how to cherry pick, and base everything on a single slide and/or line.
    I don't get how thats cherrypicking when it literally says on the slide "Not Suited for Parties" but i'll indulge you if for a bit:

    Why can't BLUs use DF? Because it's a solo class. What is its endgame then? The Carnivale, which is surprisingly solo, shocker. Its gameplay devolves around using non-rotated spells, healing, debuffs, to benefit the player not in a trinity, almost like a...solo class? You have to collect spells to, once again, take part in the Carnivale which is solo endgame.I could go on but ignorance is bliss it was sold as a solo class and what we got was a class that has no identity because it can't fill one as a collectathon mage that has to bring in level 70s to solo its own solo content minus the Carnivale.

    So if its not a solo class that you can meander on the overworld then what is it? Because it sure as hell isn't some OP class that can smooth its way onto actual content, its locked behind 2 expansions that feels like a time share real estate property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Thanks for demonstrating how to cherry pick.
    They literally called it a solo focused job all throughout the keynote. What are you even talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post


    Riiiiight here, it's not cherry picking SE sold us that is was going to be a "solo class" right after a BLU killing Shiva and gaining her Glass Dance spell.
    Important thing to note, when Glass Dance was got in that presentation, the BLU was alone. As in no one else there. As in we were lead to believe BLU was so powerful it could solo Primals.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyFuel View Post
    Oh stop cherry picking that one slide, or that single line that reads "Solo Play",
    didn't anyone else see the rest of the presentation?

    This slide is telling you how to EXP as a blue mage, and indicates that killing enemies in the open world is better than forming parties for duties. Nothing about it contradicts BLU being for solo play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    I don't get how thats cherrypicking when it literally says on the slide "Not Suited for Parties" but i'll indulge you if for a bit:

    Why can't BLUs use DF? Because it's a solo class. What is its endgame then? The Carnivale, which is surprisingly solo, shocker. Its gameplay devolves around using non-rotated spells, healing, debuffs, to benefit the player not in a trinity, almost like a...solo class? You have to collect spells to, once again, take part in the Carnivale which is solo endgame.I could go on but ignorance is bliss it was sold as a solo class and what we got was a class that has no identity because it can't fill one as a collectathon mage that has to bring in level 70s to solo its own solo content minus the Carnivale.

    So if its not a solo class that you can meander on the overworld then what is it? Because it sure as hell isn't some OP class that can smooth its way onto actual content, its locked behind 2 expansions that feels like a time share real estate property.
    Maybe i mistook the presentation, then.... especially when they talked about the part about preformed parties under Progression, thats when i thought it wasn't an "Exclusively Solo" class, its a solo class yes, but when you throw in "preformed parties" you'd think the idea of exclusively solo would wane off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    I don't get how thats cherrypicking when it literally says on the slide "Not Suited for Parties" but i'll indulge you if for a bit:
    what you're doing there is called "Cherry picking", its like basing an entire novel's quality on a single line in the book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    This slide is telling you how to EXP as a blue mage, and indicates that killing enemies in the open world is better than forming parties for duties. Nothing about it contradicts BLU being for solo play.
    it also indicates its not an exclusively solo class
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