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    For much of the content, it's assumed that we alone, managed all these feats.

    It's only later, mostly HW content and beyond, that people start saying "Go gather some of your adventurer friendo's!" before we tackle a primal. About the same time where the Echo stops being this rare and unique thing and it appears that everyone and their cat is "Chosen by Hydaelyn" and has the Echo >.>

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreyd View Post
    It's pretty much the same in any MMO's when a new superboss is introduced. "Whole imperiums did fall by his hand!...but usually ten guys with swords and fireballs are enough to kick his ass..."
    Well, to be fair, we literally do have super powers. Like, we're much the same as how OP Fordola was shown after she got the Echo where no-one could touch her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreyd View Post
    Or when we do a side quest and there is a gang boss or something like that. Everyone should know that we are the warrior of light who slayes guys like Nidhogg or Ifrit for breakfast, but these guys still think they can take us on. x'D
    Though, not everyone knows who we are. We're just another of the many adventurers across Eorzea to most people. Since, it's not like anyone has built a statue of us (Yet... I saved the world countless times, where's my statue! ). Usually people only recognise us after we give our name. Or after we beat them to a pulp because they're like a small time crook taking on the infamous Warrior of Light xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    About the same time where the Echo stops being this rare and unique thing and
    The Echo was never all that rare, and certainly not unique. Minfilia started her organization (back in 1.x) to gather people who had the Echo and to study it.
    When we first visit the Waking Sands it is very likely that several of the people there have the Echo, even though only two of them (Minfilia and Arenvald) are confirmed as having it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    The Echo was never all that rare, and certainly not unique. Minfilia started her organization (back in 1.x) to gather people who had the Echo and to study it.
    When we first visit the Waking Sands it is very likely that several of the people there have the Echo, even though only two of them (Minfilia and Arenvald) are confirmed as having it.
    Well, then everyone forgot, because most of the story was going on about how you as the Warrior of Light were the only one capable of being around Primals because of the Echo.

    Fast forward to late into HW and it's like *Meet a random person for the first time* "Oh, hello there adventurer, isn't the Echo wonderful. My whole family has the Echo. Look I can come with you to the primal because I have the Echo! Should I invite all my friends? They all have the Echo too!"

    It went from being only a few people having it (With Minfillia using it to track down those that had it in order to recruit them into the Scions) to pretty much 90% of the people you meet seeming to have it.

    Like, if it was SOOO common back in the day, why wasn't Minfillia recruiting a bunch more people all the time? Why couldn't we have formed the Crystal Braves out of people with the Echo and let them go deal with Primals instead of relying entirely on the WoL (You know, with the whole disaster that was not in question)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    Fast forward to late into HW and it's like *Meet a random person for the first time* "Oh, hello there adventurer, isn't the Echo wonderful. My whole family has the Echo. Look I can come with you to the primal because I have the Echo! Should I invite all my friends? They all have the Echo too!"
    Who? Since when?

    Characters I can think of with the Echo, in rough meeting order: Minfilia, Arenvald, other Scions*, Ysayle, Krile, Warriors of Darkness, Unukalhai (kinda sorta), Temulun (maybe), Fordola and apparently Zenos (artificially).

    * ie. minor characters at the Waking Sands. The only definite one I can think of by name is Dariustel. But I assume others got recruited because Minfilia found out they had the Echo as well.

    We met a lot of other characters over this period that don't have the Echo at all. Who are you thinking of?

    It's an occasional plot point that we can't easily take our NPC friends with us to fight primals in case they get tempered, which is why we have to call up a random group of Echo-blessed adventurers who can safely assist us instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post

    Like, if it was SOOO common back in the day, why wasn't Minfillia recruiting a bunch more people all the time? Why couldn't we have formed the Crystal Braves out of people with the Echo and let them go deal with Primals instead of relying entirely on the WoL (You know, with the whole disaster that was not in question)?
    A few Path members show up as background Scion npcs early in ARR but I've kinda assumed it is a soft retcon or that many of them died in the Calamity and Hydaelyn just doesn't have the ability to gift the Echo as frequently anymore as she grows weaker. As Iscah said we don't actually meet that many people explicitly said to have the Echo 2.0+.

    Also the WoL defends Alisaie and Lyse from being tempered in a CS when Lakshmi is first introduced, presumably we can do that for our non-echo blessed companions to a degree or we have a network of Echo adventures we can call for backup. Take your pick.
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    Last edited by Naria; 01-18-2019 at 05:27 AM. Reason: already said