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[Alleo]

I've had fun with Blu, but I'm beginning to wonder if the Limited status wasn't entirely so they could throw a new class out half-assed on a budget without any real testing and get away with it.

On top of that Blue has barely any glamour option..if we cant use it in dungeons and major parts of the game, we could have had at least some more glamour items for it to look cool in it. What we got are like three weapons because weapons are useless, and like two glamours? No craftable glamour or weapons at all.

That kinda screams laziness for me. Throw out a wanted job but not as a real job with some spells that are seemingly not even that powerful as the ones the monster use. And then since its not a real job you also dont need to care about providing much glamour or gear for it too. Update it a few times with some skills and maybe a few new stages of the carnival and thats it.

It could have been so much more and I fear that they might release more and more jobs to this concept..

But if we look at some other threads at least over 40 people seemingly see that job as a masterpiece..so the future will show if that masterpiece will stay relevant for long enough and fun for more than a few days and what SE takes from this. I fear its the: People play it, thus people love it-part and thus more of that stuff coming.

[ChocoFeru]

I've had fun with Blu, but I'm beginning to wonder if the Limited status wasn't entirely so they could throw a new class out half-assed on a budget without any real testing and get away with it.

Blu simply wasn't tested or planned out. From the complete mess of the exp system and various exploits, including "whups we didn't think choco's would do that", "one-shot-switch-class" and "my non-Blu alt is getting Blu exp" to the number of useless skills to the fact it isn't solo at all despite claims it would be to the fact that earning lv50 skills involves having a lv70 carry you through EX a million times to 1000 needles being silly and so on.

I don't think they had a plan to accomplish. I don't see any. The entire gameplay revolves around cheating your way to 50/max skills via being carried by a lv70 then all you have left is the Carnival and a fairly mediocre lv50 mage dps to spam it with. I'm convinced Blu is an attempt to put no real work into a class and push it off as a finished product.

Basically, the purpose was to bring BLU in the middle of the actual combat system and try not to destroy it's true essence. So limiting the job was the only way to respect what a BLU is instead of releasing another generic job with few placebo skills. That's why we have BLU with 49 independent skills instead of 24 generic ones.

And yes, they balanced BLU, or at least for it's content; the Carnival. Who cares about killing overworld mobs/bosses right now, it's boring and easy anyways and it doesn't break the game.
The point is to improve it in the future and fit new limited jobs and, who knows, maybe they'll end up not being limited anymore (if they change the game mechanics a bit to fit a better overworld and a more interesting combat system).

And remember we'll get to lv60 BLU at the beginning of the expansion, and will keep increasing at late-expansion. That's something that people usually forgets.

[BillyKaplan]

That's why we have BLU with 49 independent skills instead of 24 generic ones.

49 skills out of which you can only equip 24 at a time. 49 skills out of which many are effectively the same skill with different elements because you need to be able to perform adequately in the Carnivale regardless of enemy elements. Skills that might actually hinder your progress in most content catered even for BLU like Final Sting and Self Destruct.

[Awful]

Basically, the purpose was to bring BLU in the middle of the actual combat system and try not to destroy it's true essence. So limiting the job was the only way to respect what a BLU is instead of releasing another generic job with few placebo skills. That's why we have BLU with 49 independent skills instead of 24 generic ones.

And yes, they balanced BLU, or at least for it's content; the Carnival. Who cares about killing overworld mobs/bosses right now, it's boring and easy anyways and it doesn't break the game.
The point is to improve it in the future and fit new limited jobs and, who knows, maybe they'll end up not being limited anymore (if they change the game mechanics a bit to fit a better overworld and a more interesting combat system).

And remember we'll get to lv60 BLU at the beginning of the expansion, and will keep increasing at late-expansion. That's something that people usually forgets.

You're right we got worse than generic abilities we got very situational Carnival fodder moves and the rest are AoEs how intuitive I think the best spells (if you can call them "best") are probably Bad Breath, Song of Torment, Boost, Off-Guard, and White Wind wanna know why? Because they're actually useful even at lvl 50, which is why Song of Torment is lvl 50 since it's powerful DoT the rest are just stuns and sleeps and freezes etc that can't even combo off regular bosses which is why Carnival is sadly the only "endgame" when we were promised a solo job that was OP it's not.

I hit 50 today and I spent all day trying to get Primal Abilities as well as Dungeon ones why is there such terrible RNG? The guy who made Atma designed this and I already dreaded what was gonna happen, lo and behold it's more low % RNG while you AFK and 1 person solos the boss, brilliant gameplay. It didn't destroy it's essence but if this is what the future of BLU is not even the Carnival is gonna save it I did multiple fights and all you do is find the 3-5 abilities that'll cheese you through that fight and you move onto the next easy gimmicky fight, most of it was forgettable but it's okay we saved BLUs identity even though we have a low tiered-multi-useless collectathon mage thanks SE.

As for who cares about killing bosses and the like a lot of people got BLU being promised that we could solo things such as EX primals we can't we need parties it's almost like we have to do duties on a solo class GASP not to mention you have to get Mind Blast and Glower which don't always drop so thanks for that too SE. BLU is a trainwreck and we're the beta testers for it if they plan on revamping the combat they better nail it because if this is a sign to come from BLU it's not looking good for ShB.

[SDaemon]

we were promised a solo job that was OP it's not.

a lot of people got BLU being promised that we could solo things such as EX primals

SE didn't promise us either of these....

[BillyKaplan]

SE didn't promise us either of these....

But they did? It's "designed for solo play", and "not suited for parties". Quoted from their BLU presentation on the PLL the day after announcement. At the very least you really can't fault people for thinking what they do about this, it's not like it's without basis in the developers' own statements
You could say that what they meant by it was "not suited for parties following the trinity role system", but then they should've said that instead of saying what they did. But then they threw in "yeah it's designed for solo play" and proceeded to lock half its kit behind Extreme primals.

The only thing this job is designed to do solo is the Masked Carnivale. Leveling doesn't really matter and skills you need a party for.

[Awful]

SE didn't promise us either of these....

I dunno if this is bait but really..? They designed it for solo play and not able to participate in duties which by extension is anything you can que into, they minced their words as BillyKaplan beat me to it so I don't really know what to tell you here bud, was advertised as a powerful solo class and it's not what we got at all.

[SDaemon]

I dunno if this is bait but really..? They designed it for solo play and not able to participate in duties which by extension is anything you can que into, they minced their words as BillyKaplan beat me to it so I don't really know what to tell you here bud, was advertised as a powerful solo class and it's not what we got at all.

SE never said nor advertised them as being OP or that they could solo EX Primals, which is the part of your post I quoted and that you felt was promised.

But they did? It's "designed for solo play", and "not suited for parties". Quoted from their BLU presentation on the PLL the day after announcement. At the very least you really can't fault people for thinking what they do about this, it's not like it's without basis in the developers' own statements
You could say that what they meant by it was "not suited for parties following the trinity role system", but then they should've said that instead of saying what they did. But then they threw in "yeah it's designed for solo play" and proceeded to lock half its kit behind Extreme primals.

The only thing this job is designed to do solo is the Masked Carnivale. Leveling doesn't really matter and skills you need a party for.

Can you provide a quote where SE mentioned BLU is designed to be overpowered and capable of soloing EX primals? Because being felt promised something that was never promised is rather silly. Being upset that it was advertised as a solo play experience and having to group up for spells I can get behind that argument but to be upset that they aren't OP and can't solo Primals "as promised" when that was never promised....

[Jandor]

SE never said nor advertised them as being OP or that they could solo EX Primals, which is the part of your post I quoted and that you felt was promised.

The reveal video was a blue mage fighting Shiva solo and learning her bow move.

That was followed by a slide that said:

• Designed for solo play.
• Not suited for Parties.

They explained that they had made this decision because BLU is too tough to balance properly.

I mean, come on, if you can't see how all that is incredibly misleading then I don't know what to tell you.

[BillyKaplan]

Being upset that it was advertised as a solo play experience and having to group up for spells I can get behind that argument but to be upset that they aren't OP and can't solo Primals "as promised" when that was never promised....

I do recall Yoshi-P saying part of why they locked BLU out of matchmaking is because some of its skills would trivialize content with the infamous example of Level 5 Doom on the Omegas. So no, they didn't promise it in the explicit, direct way, but if BLU wasn't going to be this broken, why limit it so much in the first place?
But for what it's worth, it's also besides the point right now. Because the two things you said are actually one and the same. If I'm supposed to be able to get my skills solo, as is implied by it being a job designed for solo play, and my skills are locked behind Primals, then I should be OP compared to other jobs otherwise I won't be able to get my skills - this is the hidden, implied promise. But I can't solo that thing, I need to party up, ergo, I am not OP. So something along the way there got borked whichever way you twist it.