A question about ancient Ivalice's location in the timeline

[YianKutku]

Interesting article on the subject:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/01...rrent-stories/

The article writer claims that FFXIV's Ivalice is the same as FFXII's Ivalice, including taking place in the exact same time. This has been disproven many times, including by Matsuno himself.

Why people insist on wilfully spreading misinformation and lies I cannot understand.

The Garleans in Goug at the end are a fairly big deal just because of who the IVth's legatus was revealed to be, and I'm definitely interested to see what the followup is considering what Tartarus is supposedly capable of.

Also, given that Noah van Gabranth was Legatus of the IVth during Dalmasca's fall 30 years ago, and is still Legatus of the IVth today, I wonder how old he is.

This isn't the only place people are getting the "more then a thousand years" from. Lore Book 2 introduces Dalmasca this way.



So Dalmasca itself has been around for a thousand years. Meanwhile the capital of Lesalia is so old that the Dalmascans never found it even though it was right under Rabanaster this entire time. If anything Jenomis' estimation about when Durai was alive should be much older then just "a thousand years".

That's kind of my point about that dialogue box, though. We know from EE2 that Dalmasca was ruled by the B'nargin family for around a thousand years. However, that doesn't say anything about when Ivalice was around.

According to Jenomis, Delita Heiral ended the War of the Lions by winning said war, and then marrying Princess Ovelia Atkascha, which "gave legitimacy" to his claim to the throne. Which implies that the Atkascha dynasty name was still important.

Even if Ovelia took Delita's family name (or the Beoulve name, since Delita was adopted into the Beoulve family according to Jenomis), neither are B'nargin.

So somehow, Ivalice under the Atkascha dynasty had to become Dalmasca under the B'nargin dynasty, and this had to have happened at least a thousand years ago.

What that dialogue box confirms is that according to Jenomis, Ivalice was still around "more than a thousand years ago", when Orran Durai wrote his report. So now we're trying to figure out what "more than" means here, and how large the gap is between Ivalice and Dalmasca.

Let's assume that Jenomis was right and that one of our calamities really created that jungle.
Let's also assume this calamaty destroyed Ivalice, making place for Dalmasca and that it was the 6th calamity of water.
That would mean, that Ivalice and FFT are at least 1500 years ago and take place in the same Era as Mhach and Amdapor.

Actually, what I was pointing out was that Jenomis said "one of your calamities", not "one of the calamities". As in, the calamities that are "ours", as seen from the viewpoint of someone from Eorzea.

I don't know whether Jenomis is (unconsciously) blaming the calamities on Eorzeans in general (with good cause, I think), or he somehow thinks a calamity that is "of" Eorzea can also hypothetically cause the Golmore Jungle to grow. (I know he's not claiming that the calamities are definitely the cause, but he does bring it up as a possibility.)

It's just that if Jenomis called the Umbral Calamities "your calamities", what does he call the effects those calamities have had on Othard and Ilsabard?

[Kreyd]

Actually, what I was pointing out was that Jenomis said "one of your calamities", not "one of the calamities". As in, the calamities that are "ours", as seen from the viewpoint of someone from Eorzea.

I don't know whether Jenomis is (unconsciously) blaming the calamities on Eorzeans in general (with good cause, I think), or he somehow thinks a calamity that is "of" Eorzea can also hypothetically cause the Golmore Jungle to grow. (I know he's not claiming that the calamities are definitely the cause, but he does bring it up as a possibility.)

It's just that if Jenomis called the Umbral Calamities "your calamities", what does he call the effects those calamities have had on Othard and Ilsabard?

You mean since Jenomis is from Ilsabard, he doesn't really differ between the 6 calamities that ended Eorzean eras and calamities on Eorzea or Othard in general?
Yeah could be right actually. Also is was just his assumption. He could be wrong and the jungle just growth without a connection to any calamity.

The main struggle in my opinion is that Dalmasca is stated to be at least 1000 years old (and of course there has to be some time between Dalmasca and Ivalice), but all we get to know about the age of Ivalice and the Durai Papers is this "At least 1000 years ago" aswell, when is has in fact to be much older than that.

It could be a mistranslation or a plot hole or Jenomis just doesn't exactly know how old the Durai Papers are.

I don't state it's impossible to locate Ivalice within the 5th era. It is absolutely possible and I would actually love it to be stated there. There is just this one missing trace to be 100% sure about it.