Suggestion: healer-based incentives/rewards

[Penthea]

Oh believe me, I'm one of the first ones defending people doing their best. But let's not fool ourselves. You're both just arguing this to prop up the healer role. Funny how you both usually are on the side of people who don't do their best on other threads, but once someone even seems to suggest healers usually aren't theheroes you both seem to think they are, here comes the flip-flopping.

So it's flip flopping to defend people not doing their best, and then to correct someone when they claim healers usually have an easy role? Uh...I regret to inform you that these two things are not always related. One is defending people who may not be in a favourable situation, the other is correcting someone making a false assumption.

But sure make them the same if it makes you happy.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

So it's flip flopping to defend people not doing their best, and then to correct someone when they claim healers usually have an easy role? Uh...I regret to inform you that these two things are not always related. One is defending people who may not be in a favourable situation, the other is correcting someone making a false assumption.

But sure make them the same if it makes you happy.

But it is, in most basic content, which is what was said.
I know, I heal occasionally, in every roulette. I DPS, I pre-shield any tankbusters, I top up people in preparation for raidwide AoEs. But I don't have to fully use my kit, I've never even touched Rescue. Because most basic content is just that easy.

[Penthea]

But it is, in most basic content, which is what was said.
I know, I heal occasionally, in every roulette. I DPS, I pre-shield any tankbusters, I top up people in preparation for raidwide AoEs. But I don't have to fully use my kit, I've never even touched Rescue. Because most basic content is just that easy.

As if the use of Rescue is an indication of how difficult content is.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

As if the use of Rescue is an indication of how difficult content is.

No, but apparently pretending most basic content is as hard as an Ex Trial or Savage is.

At this point of the game, healers have more than completely spent their martyrdom credits. No one's buying that act. You're essential, but not at the cost of the other roles.

[Penthea]

No, but apparently pretending most basic content is as hard as an Ex Trial or Savage is.

Please direct me to where someone said this. It's the first time I have read it in this thread.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Please direct me to where someone said this. It's the first time I have read it in this thread.

Why did you present worst case scenarios as an example that healers do a whole lot of stuff then, if not to illustrate that most of the basic content is harder than it actually is? Because otherwise, like the other poster said, usually healers just have to heal and do mechanics in most of the basic content.

[Penthea]

Why did you present worst case scenarios as an example that healers do a whole lot of stuff then, if not to illustrate that most of the basic content is harder than it actually is? Because otherwise, like the other poster said, usually healers just have to heal and do mechanics in most of the basic content.

So in other words you cannot direct me to where someone said basic content is just as difficult as ex or savage if you're a healer because no one said it. Good to know. I thought I missed a post.

Also why are you implying really horrible scenarios can't happen outside of ex and savage? Most of the worst wipefests I have seen have been in 24 man content.

EDIT: and please note I simply said "wipefests" not "wipefests while playing as a specific role".

[Gemina]

No, but apparently pretending most basic content is as hard as an Ex Trial or Savage is.

At this point of the game, healers have more than completely spent their martyrdom credits. No one's buying that act. You're essential, but not at the cost of the other roles.

Actually if talking just the basic content, healers and tanks can get through it just fine without any DPS. It'll be slow, but they'll get it done. I don't think the same can be said for any other duo composition. At least not in as many cases. In short, if you cannot kill the opposition before heals are needed, you're pretty much screwed. I don't think there is any other role in this game that can save a raid when 7 players are down, and the boss still has over 15%. Perhaps SMN or RDM can do so. But even without LB3, I'm not sure their MP can handle that without crippling themselves.

This is not the say that tanks and DPS are hogwash. They are all very important for getting through content, but trust me my friend, healers deserve their martyrdom credits even if you feel they don't.

[LalaRu]

No, but apparently pretending most basic content is as hard as an Ex Trial or Savage is.

Nothing new under the sun. We have people that treats everything at savage level and get upset if you go Sastasha without the best gear you can there.

But, about healer's dps, I just have to say if we have offensive skills, don't using them is a waste!