Blue Mage is a masterpiece of game design.

[Lambdafish]

A good number for this community -_- (numbers don't get much larger than that very often). Please don't be facetious.

The average community size is approximately 500,000 (its actually more but lets use that as an estimate). And lets use actual statistics rather than tiny polls: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tone_data_715/ (It's outdated, but a good enough estimate for this post).

If we use that as a base then we can extrapolate that 100 / 500,000 = 0.0002, which is 0.02% of the community. That poll is based on a minuscule fraction of the community and is nowhere near representative.


Lets even put in some more assumptions to dispute the data. Let's assume that every character in that data is a player with an alt that has completed the story. That still comes out to 0.04% of the community, which no matter how you spin it, is completely irrelevant.

[Artorias]

Hmmm, for me personal its just fine. I wouldn't call this a Masterpiece of game design. It's just fine. Nothing special somehow. Its interesting, but for me personal it dont give me the feeling that i need to rush it to lvl 50. It's like a nice little side content nothing more.

[Vespar]

I cant play until tonight, but does learning BLU spells work like in XI where you had to be facing the monster to learn a spell? If you faced away you didnt "see" it and therefore didnt learn it.
Could you team up with a tank for example and have them hold the mob until it uses the correct attack and then kill it?

[Shougun]

The average community size is approximately 500,000 (its actually more but lets use that as an estimate). And lets use actual statistics rather than tiny polls: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tone_data_715/ (It's outdated, but a good enough estimate for this post).

If we use that as a base then we can extrapolate that 100 / 500,000 = 0.0002, which is 0.02% of the community. That poll is based on a minuscule fraction of the community and is nowhere near representative.


Lets even put in some more assumptions to dispute the data. Let's assume that every character in that data is a player with an alt that has completed the story. That still comes out to 0.04% of the community, which no matter how you spin it, is completely irrelevant.

Please read my original comment. I listed 6k first and then said 100+ is good for the forums, maybe I could have worded it better but all I meant was that's the best data you'll get for the desire of something (from here, the forums, is ~the 100+ marker is quite high). I knew that the community of the forums represents a fraction of the forums that's why I listed a nearly 6k poll.

A 6k poll could be used (with error due to how it was asked and who knows how long it was up for all timezones/people, but it could say there exists desire (also as someone pointed out now that it's out probably need to see how many changed their minds)). Not that you need 25% of a population to figure something out (given a well put together poll lol, which we need SE to run if we want some good data - hence ours will have quite a bit of error and should only take something like "probably quite a few people want to DF blue").

You're focusing on a point that I didn't make (or at least never tried to make).

[Nora_of_Mira]

I cant play until tonight, but does learning BLU spells work like in XI where you had to be facing the monster to learn a spell? If you faced away you didnt "see" it and therefore didnt learn it.
Could you team up with a tank for example and have them hold the mob until it uses the correct attack and then kill it?

yes you can team up and learn skills with a tank helping you, but no, you dont need to be facing it. as long as it used the skill and it dies, you have a chance of learning it.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

The poll is pretty valid. Also i don't see anyone else doing numbers, might as well take what we have.

The reception of this content, as with any content, has been mixed as usual. I'll reserve my comments on it till i play it, but i would like to hear why is it a "Masterpiece of Game Design" - Causa that i reserve only for cases like Dark Souls, Alundra, DOOM, Vagrant Story, Chrono Trigger... Unless is the absolute revolution that is gonna bring back to life the MMORPG genre from its ashes, bigger than World of Warcraft "questing". I would hardly call this a "Masterpiece of Game Design".

Unless i'm wrong and im losing on the best gaming experience since Nier Automata and God of War.

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This is the problem with the community at large. Some would praise every step of the DevTeam as it was gospel revealed and will completely ignore any (even the devs saying themselves they were not so "ok" with some content... see people that still defends Pagos, and Eureka as a whole) fault, or people that just puts its finger on a issue, be it small (let's say... lack of some party options on Mahjong) or huge (no ultrawide cutscene support in 2019, graphics on PC in general, the state of huge chunks of dead content...) and claim the game is doomed (It's making money so no, is not, sigh these people...) when indeed both are: Wrong.

Also, for me is kinda nice to see the cultural differences between east and western players, and even if we, western players are indeed the majority the game must be made so it can be played, enjoyed and be meaningful to both. I'll bring mahjong again since is new: For us westeners, mahjong is barely a game in our win install, yet for eastern countries, mahjong is one of the most popular and played "board games", like we play Chess, Poker, Dominoes, etc. For those countries these addition must be nothing short of great, for us, most of us is probably scratching their head and wondering why a GS mini game can last up to 1 hour as if it was a 24man raid.

See, that's the issue, and i bet BLU will be referenced in any both ways across the boards and boards of micro communities. Thus, i suggest everyone from not taking anyone's word, not even mine, and just try it for yourself. If you found a good argument on as to why BLU is either good or bad, please bring it to the boards. Do not just call it "terrible, literally unplayable, worst class ever, blahblahblah" or "the greatest class ever introduced, masterpiece of game design, revolutionary, blehblehbleh" Without an argument for that. The closest this game was to be a "Masterpiece" was during the 1.0 to 2.0 transition, the whole thing went down into gaming's history. Yet it had more to do with the whole franchise than just FFXIV, and even if it was only FFXIV was not really about it's concepts, designs or game related stuff, but mostly about the history of the devs and the whole production process, not the product itself. Well. Must be someone that thinks FFXIV is the greatest videogame ever made...

[Lambdafish]

Please read my original comment. I listed 6k first and then said 100+ is good for the forums, maybe I could have worded it better but all I meant was that's the best data you'll get for the desire of something (from here, the forums, is ~the 100+ marker is quite high). I knew that the community of the forums represents a fraction of the forums that's why I listed a nearly 6k poll

I apologise for the error, but the point still stands, 6000 comes out to 0.12% of the community, which is such a small margin for such a specific question.

If you wanted data on player mains, 6000 people would give you a rough idea of how the makeup of player mains looks, but it is not a definitive answer, simply a nice start to see if your hypothesis is challenged. For example, if I did a poll on job mains and DRK got 60% of the votes and RDM got 1%, that would be an avenue of enquiry. Its not absolute data, but it highlights an area to look into.

As is, the poll of 6k players shows a rough divide that many players feel strongly on either side, which is about as much accurate information as you can get from such a poll. If only 5% of players thought BLU was good as is, it would be a different story.

[Andevom]

If you really want to protest BLU, the simple way is to not do the content. Yet it seems like every instance of Limsa Lominsa was packed full of people waiting for the quest to drop. That alone should tell you this was not as big a misstep as some would like you to believe.

[Shougun]

I apologise for the error, but the point still stands, 6000 comes out to 0.12% of the community, which is such a small margin for such a specific question.

If you wanted data on player mains, 6000 people would give you a rough idea of how the makeup of player mains looks, but it is not a definitive answer, simply a nice start to see if your hypothesis is challenged. For example, if I did a poll on job mains and DRK got 60% of the votes and RDM got 1%, that would be an avenue of enquiry. Its not absolute data, but it highlights an area to look into.

As is, the poll of 6k players shows a rough divide that many players feel strongly on either side, which is about as much accurate information as you can get from such a poll. If only 5% of players thought BLU was good as is, it would be a different story.

Thank you !

Its why I said it's the best data we got, not that it's conclusive all non-unlimit blue mage haters get lawyer-ed!!1!1 I was beginning to feel very cherry picked (with everyone focusing not even on my point xD, although my wording can be at fault in that too). Due to unknowns of how and where the poll was it will have even more error than a good one but I would argue that we don't need 25% of a population to get a strong answer.

The margin of error statistic is usually something like 1 divided by square root of entrants, so given that we have an honest spread we actually are doing pretty good when reaching 6k. Many good polls of the US are not even that high. Unfortunately it can't be said the poll is good cause we don't know who reached it and the questions are not perfect lol.

But we could safely surmise that there is a sizeable chunk that wants DF blue (not 12 people lol)!

Just a quick google on US: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...l-of-only-100/ just for fun context of above (in a non-mathy format)

Or have fun with a sample calculator: https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm how accurate or inaccurate do you want to be.. plug in the numbers lol xD.

2K entrants would give us a confidence interval of 2 at a confidence level of 95%. (jumps to 9k at 1 interval though). 6K in general is a actually pretty good, just we don't know about how this poll was collected/when, and bias questions, also needs to be asked again now that the content is out (number isn't bad, poll itself has potential for errors due to it not being done "neatly").

[Vespar]

yes you can team up and learn skills with a tank helping you, but no, you dont need to be facing it. as long as it used the skill and it dies, you have a chance of learning it.

Cool. Thats awesome! Thanks!