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[Fyce]

OK, now try reading Deceptus' post again without putting words in their mouth and making assumptions.

I'm sorry, but saying that "any smart person" would "party with a level 70" to rush through "any level 50 instance", and do "trade wins" is advocating efficiency without second thinking, and calling that "smart" is missing the point.
I'm not putting any words in their mouth. Linking that playstyle with intelligence is dumb. Period. Not everyone wants to rush things or use the most effective method. Not calling them "smart" as opposed to people who do is bordeline insulting towards people who might like enjoying things "normally".

Rushing through content is not a smart thing to do. It's a playstyle decision.

[Nighthawky2010]

I will settle for it being used in squadron....which is also solo content.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I'm sorry, but saying that "any smart person" would "party with a level 70" to rush through "any level 50 instance", and do "trade wins" is advocating efficiency without second thinking, and calling that "smart" is missing the point.
I'm not putting any words in their mouth. Linking that playstyle with intelligence is dumb. Period. Not everyone wants to rush things or use the most effective method. Not calling them "smart" as opposed to people who do is bordeline insulting towards people who might like enjoying things "normally".

Well, first of all, no one said anything about rushing. You're just assuming it. If anything, the most rushing you'd be doing in this case is not having to wait for your PF party to fill in. You still need the levels so you don't die in case bosses do partywide AoEs.

Not doing something smartly doesn't mean the person is automatically dumb. There's a lot between smart and dumb.

If you have to call not using the most effective means "enjoying things normally" (and by extension implying being efficient = being abnormal), then you're basically doing the same thing you accuse Deceptus of doing: you're insulting people who want to use the most effective method "abnormal". That was clear and obvious as soon as you came with the "this isn't a job" angle, and demonizing being effective to defend your casual playstyle, when no one was attacking it.

[Fyce]

Well, first of all, no one said anything about rushing. You're just assuming it. If anything, the most rushing you'd be doing in this case is not having to wait for your PF party to fill in. You still need the levels so you don't die in case bosses do partywide AoEs.

Not doing something smartly doesn't mean the person is automatically dumb. There's a lot between smart and dumb.

If you have to call not using the most effective means "enjoying things normally" (and by extension implying being efficient = being abnormal), then you're basically doing the same thing you accuse Deceptus of doing: you're insulting people who want to use the most effective method "abnormal". That was clear and obvious as soon as you came with the "this isn't a job" angle, and demonizing being effective to defend your casual playstyle, when no one was attacking it.

What are you talking about? Of course doing unsync content that a level 70 will blast through for you to learn your skills without even fighting is "rushing". What else would it be?! That's the very point of it.

And yes, when you call one part of the population "smart", you are obviously excluding the other part from calling them that. Otherwise the comment is pointless. So, if you don't call "people who don't wintrade" "smart", how do you call them?

Finally, when I said "enjoying things normally", it was implied "at a normal pace the dungeons were designed for". Yes, blasting through Cutter's Cry in 5 minutes is abnormal. That's why it's not the default. It's an option. And I didn't said that the PEOPLE are normal/abnormal. So much for calling me about putting words in people's mouth. Start by applying that to you.

Edit: One last thing before I end this post. I wasn't sure if I wanted to write it, but it does infuriates me too much for me not to speak about it: if you think that abnormality is an insult, you should probably check your definition. And your morale while you're at it. Because there's nothing wrong in being abnormal.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

What are you talking about? Of course doing unsync content that a level 70 will blast through for you to learn your skills without even fighting is "rushing". What else would it be?! That's the very point of it.

And yes, when you call one part of the population "smart", you are obviously excluding the other part from calling them that. Otherwise the comment is pointless. So, if you don't call "people who don't wintrade" "smart", how do you call them?

Finally, when I said "enjoying things normally", it was implied "at a normal pace the dungeons were designed for". Yes, blasting through Cutter's Cry in 5 minutes is abnormal. That's why it's not the default. It's an option. And I didn't said that the PEOPLE are normal/abnormal. So much for calling me about putting words in people's mouth. Start by applying that to you.

You still have to reach the dungeon's level to be able to safely run it. And you forget that learning the skill is tied to a random chance. If you need 30 runs to finally learn a skill, are you going to do 30 full runs of the dungeon?

Someone not being smart =/= they're dumb. You're the one assuming that that makes them idiots. No one else said that. Also, trading runs =/= trading wins. This isn't a competition and no one's breaking any rules but let's keep twisting words to demonize efficient methods, yeah?

Goalpost moving. The pace the dungeons were designed for is irrelevant. What matters is the pace the party wants to run the dungeon at. It doesn't matter that you absolutely hate people who unsync and rush, because in their run, it's what they want that matters. It's what they want that's normal. Same way a party of RPers could spend a full hour in Sastasha, and it wouldn't be abnormal because it's what they want and no one else's business.

[Fyce]

You still have to reach the dungeon's level to be able to safely run it. And you forget that learning the skill is tied to a random chance. If you need 30 runs to finally learn a skill, are you going to do 30 full runs of the dungeon?

Someone not being smart =/= they're dumb. You're the one assuming that that makes them idiots. No one else said that. Also, trading runs =/= trading wins. This isn't a competition and no one's breaking any rules but let's keep twisting words to demonize efficient methods, yeah?

Goalpost moving. The pace the dungeons were designed for is irrelevant. What matters is the pace the party wants to run the dungeon at. It doesn't matter that you absolutely hate people who unsync and rush, because in their run, it's what they want that matters. It's what they want that's normal. Same way a party of RPers could spend a full hour in Sastasha, and it wouldn't be abnormal because it's what they want and no one else's business.

That's still rushing it. That's the point of doing unsync content. It doesn't matter if you need to level up first, the fact is that it's still rushing the dungeon compared to doing it sync. Do you still want to argue against that fact? I can go all day.

You know what I meant by win trading. And I don't demonize it. I just said that doing it doesn't make people smart. And you have the audacity of saying that I'm moving goalpost. Nice one dude. Again take a look at yourself.
And I have to ask my question once again though: if you don't call people who don't run trade "smart", how do you call them?

I'm not moving goalposts here. You put words in my mouth, I correct you and tell you what was obviously implied, since you missed it. The pace at which the dungeon is run is definitly relevant, because it's the core of my argument to say that not everyone wants to rush dungeons with a Lv.70. And that it doesn't make them any less smart than the people who do.

It's funny how you denounce strawmans and goalpost moving, yet your posts are full of nothing but that.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

That's still rushing it. That's the point of doing unsync content. It doesn't matter if you need to level up first, the fact is that it's still rushing the dungeon compared to doing it sync. Do you still want to argue against that fact? I can go all day.

You know what I meant by win trading. And I don't demonize it. I just said that doing it doesn't make people smart. And you have the audacity of saying that I'm moving goalpost. Nice one dude. Again take a look at yourself.
And I have to ask my question once again though: if you don't call people who don't run trade "smart", how do you call them?

I'm not moving goalposts here. You put words in my mouth, I correct you and tell you what was obviously implied, since you missed it. The pace at which the dungeon is run is definitly relevant, because it's the core of my argument to say that not everyone wants to rush dungeons with a Lv.70. And that it doesn't make them any less smart than the people who do.

It's funny who you denounce strawmans and goalpost moving, yet your posts are full of nothing but that.

The point of running unsync content most of the time is making it easy, not faster. Clearing it faster just comes as a consequence of overpowering the content.

Ofc I know what you meant. I already said it.

You know what I call people who don't do something smart? People who don't do something smart. Dumb people can do smart things and smart people can do dumb things. Not doing something smart doesn't make someone dumb. You apparently consider that they're idiots instead.

But no one said "rushing" was mandatory for everyone. Only that it was the smart thing to do. If you don't want to do it, don't do it. And it doesn't make you dumb.

It's funny that you think claiming I'm strawmanning (which I didn't even mention, but we can see twisting/making up stuff is a trend with you) and goalpost moving absolves you of 4 posts of you doing it. It doesn't.

[Reinha]

It'll be interesting to see whether the MSQ restriction goes away once the level caps equalize with other jobs.

I don't think it will go away. The MSQ includes dungeons and trials and specifically recommends the use of Duty Finder, which BLU can't use. Not letting BLU use DF but letting it do the MSQ would just look sloppy.

[DamianFatale]

Blue Mage should be usable in duty finder. The idea of a job being limited is ridiculous. Maybe if its a temporary testing period, but that is it.

[Kleeya]

For a job people are not happy with, there is sure a lot of them waiting right now for the npc to spawn anyway XD

Seems like the hour is wrong though.