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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    At present they would have to play a completely different job through the 2.0 story, play BLU through 2.55 and then have to pick up and play a different job [maybe the one prior to BLU doesnt really matter] to continue past 2.55 and they would have to level that job other than BLU up to 50+ to continue as well. At present using BLU for MSQ would be very lackluster and only put the player in a horrible spot to actually get through the MSQ.
    That may be so for now, but as the level cap continues to increase for Blue Mage then player should have the ability to progress through the story as a Blue Mage. If someone wants to main Blue Mage I don't see why we can't let them - as long as beforehand there's a warning of some sort to say:

    "Blue Mage cannot participate in Raid Roulette/Alliance Raid Roulette/PvP/etc unless they are part of a premade party to ensure fairness."

    Or

    "Blue Mage will not gain experience points from this point on until the level cap is increased. It is recommended to have a side job at a sufficient level to continue progressing onto further quests."

    You could even add in lore that says that Blue Mage would be too susceptible to the influence of such powerful monsters, locking them out from Extreme fights and raids. There are many creative ways this can be dealt with and still increase player satisfaction. Alternatively, they could raise the level cap to 80 and add in additional Blue Magic spells later in Shadowbringers. We don't need 50 spells per expansion, and I would be okay if more spells were added over time to encourage me to go play as Blue Mage. If people know what they are signing up for, and we do, I say let us do what we want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    That may be so for now, but as the level cap continues to increase for Blue Mage then player should have the ability to progress through the story as a Blue Mage. If someone wants to main Blue Mage I don't see why we can't let them - as long as beforehand there's a warning of some sort to say:

    "Blue Mage cannot participate in Raid Roulette/Alliance Raid Roulette/PvP/etc unless they are part of a premade party to ensure fairness."

    Or

    "Blue Mage will not gain experience points from this point on until the level cap is increased. It is recommended to have a side job at a sufficient level to continue progressing onto further quests."

    You could even add in lore that says that Blue Mage would be too susceptible to the influence of such powerful monsters, locking them out from Extreme fights and raids. There are many creative ways this can be dealt with and still increase player satisfaction. Alternatively, they could raise the level cap to 80 and add in additional Blue Magic spells later in Shadowbringers. We don't need 50 spells per expansion, and I would be okay if more spells were added over time to encourage me to go play as Blue Mage. If people know what they are signing up for, and we do, I say let us do what we want.
    Even after the level cap increases it would be a disjointed mess. Once it goes up to 60 then any new BLU player would still have to level a job to 50 through the 2.0 MSQ, get to play blue till 60 and the 3.55 MSQ and then have to level a job from whatever the next highest they have is [likely just the previous 50] to 60 so as to continue the MSQ. That trend will continue onward until BLU potentially, maybe reaches the same level cap as current cap in whatever future expansion that may happen in. Until then just to elaborate the trend, when BLU eventually gets to 70 and gets to play through 4.55 MSQ, unless the player kept up leveling an alt job, they would have to level their level 50 from 50 to 70 just to continue onward to Shadowbringers MSQ, that would be compounded again the following expansion, having to level that 50 from 50 to 80 and so on. [For any new BLU]

    I honestly feel like if SE went and opened up the rather small segment of MSQ BLU could do that people would be more upset at being needlessly teased than happy they got to play it in the MSQ for a period of time before having to drudge through leveling an alt job just to continue on with the MSQ, especially if they are a new, or any old really, player and only have 1 real job leveled up decently at the time and are now forced to level up a low level job to continue with the MSQ. Seems very off putting to players for very little satisfactional benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    Even after the level cap increases it would be a disjointed mess. Once it goes up to 60 then any new BLU player would still have to level a job to 50 through the 2.0 MSQ, get to play blue till 60 and the 3.55 MSQ and then have to level a job from whatever the next highest they have is [likely just the previous 50] to 60 so as to continue the MSQ. That trend will continue onward until BLU potentially, maybe reaches the same level cap as current cap in whatever future expansion that may happen in. Until then just to elaborate the trend, when BLU eventually gets to 70 and gets to play through 4.55 MSQ, unless the player kept up leveling an alt job, they would have to level their level 50 from 50 to 70 just to continue onward to Shadowbringers MSQ, that would be compounded again the following expansion, having to level that 50 from 50 to 80 and so on. [For any new BLU]

    I honestly feel like if SE went and opened up the rather small segment of MSQ BLU could do that people would be more upset at being needlessly teased than happy they got to play it in the MSQ for a period of time before having to drudge through leveling an alt job just to continue on with the MSQ, especially if they are a new, or any old really, player and only have 1 real job leveled up decently at the time and are now forced to level up a low level job to continue with the MSQ. Seems very off putting to players for very little satisfactional benefit.
    Again, if people want to main Blue Mage, let them do it but warn them beforehand that they'll need to level another job. I'd rather give people the ability to be free and to run wild than restrict in the way the currently are. There IS benefit to being allowed to play through the main quest as a Blue Mage, like seeing our character in their Magus Attire in cutscenes in real time and not the in, being able to use Blue Magic in storyline instanced battles, and roaming the overworld as the job of their dreams. If you won't get satisfaction from this, that doesn't mean that other players like me won't enjoy this. Also, this is FFXIV - most people level multiple jobs anyway so having to level an extra one isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    Again, if people want to main Blue Mage, let them do it but warn them beforehand that they'll need to level another job. I'd rather give people the ability to be free and to run wild than restrict in the way the currently are. There IS benefit to being allowed to play through the main quest as a Blue Mage, like seeing our character in their Magus Attire in cutscenes in real time and not the in, being able to use Blue Magic in storyline instanced battles, and roaming the overworld as the job of their dreams. If you won't get satisfaction from this, that doesn't mean that other players like me won't enjoy this. Also, this is FFXIV - most people level multiple jobs anyway so having to level an extra one isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of this game.
    Warn them that they'll be barred from continuing the main story quest unless they go back and level up another job, potentially 30+ levels in the future after they hit the BLU MSQ Wall so as to continue with the story? Again, I see that as very off putting for players, especially new players with very little in the way of alt jobs leveled. I'm not saying I won't be satisfied. I'm saying I can reasonably see a great number of players being upset about the situation.
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