can they stop genderlocking outfits that are easily neutral?

[Raikai]

This thread again?

Literally every time a male exclusive item is added.... every. single. time.

Women's options already far surpass men's options in both quantity and quality. To complain that a newly added item is gender locked is, frankly, insulting.

Well, subscribers to the game are entitled to complain about things they don't like... Also this is a single thread, you aren't being forced to click or anything.

[wereotter]

Well, subscribers to the game are entitled to complain about things they don't like... Also this is a single thread, you aren't being forced to click or anything.

And I’m entitled to point out how this happens all the time dispite there already being a disparity favoring female toons. Fair is fair.

[Raikai]

And I’m entitled to point out how this happens all the time dispite there already being a disparity favoring female toons. Fair is fair.

I just don't see how advocating for further segregation can promote anything with the resemblance of inclusion. It's already as bad as it is both sexes having instances of extremely different versions of the same item. But I suppose it's too much to ask, for equality between the two sides.

[LineageRazor]

Not at all. There's absolutely nothing wrong with introducing gear that's designed for female characters or gear that's designed with male characters in mind. But there's also no reason why those pieces should be gender locked.

It's not fair to say that there's "no reason". There's absolutely a reason - any unisex gear needs to be redesigned and refitted for each gender. Men are not shaped like women, so clothing worn by men needs to be reshaped to be worn by women, and vice-versa. Time, effort, and money needs to be expended to do that refitting. The question then, is whether there is enough demand to justify this refitting? Sure, there are a few folks want to dress their strapping Roe male in a fancy wedding dress, but since it costs money to make it fit, you can bet SE doesn't plan to pony up unless there's a LOT of demand.

Threads like the ones that eventually resulted in the male bunny suit show that demand, but SE only plans to follow through on a case-by-case basis, not in general. If folks want to get the wedding dress for men, they're going to need to show that the idea has popular support.

(I have a feeling, too, that the majority of the folks crying out for a male bunny outfit were hoping for something more Chippendale, rather than the exact same suit resized to fit a man. They wanted a sexy male outfit to balance the sexy female outfit, not to dress their male in clothing designed for a woman.)

[Eloah]

Regardless of the opinions, SE has shown that they are listening to our issues with the gender exclusive gear. Gown aside, is it upsetting that the robe is male exclusive, probably, but the fact that they made it exclusive shows that they are trying to be fair.

It's not the gender exclusiveness that is the issue itself, it's the lack of balance. For a long while they were making a male and female outfit of things, with only the female version being exclusive, and the male being unisex. The bunny outfit just happened to be the "last straw" as it were.

That being said, give it until the next half patch maybe they will add in another item, similar to how the frilly dress and pants were separated by a patch.

But honestly, I don't think they should get flack for this. They have been doing exactly as we asked.

[Eloah]

I just don't see how advocating for further segregation can promote anything with the resemblance of inclusion. It's already as bad as it is both sexes having instances of extremely different versions of the same item. But I suppose it's too much to ask, for equality between the two sides.

I think you are confusing segregation and equality. What was happening prior was segregation of male characters over female ones, with females as the majority. As time has gone on the equality of these items has increased. Will it be truly equal, no, but then again true equality doesn't exist, but that's a separate debate.

Now once the equality has evened out, there is no more segregation, but there is still a separation. What that basically means is the notion of girls get this (skirt) and guys get that (pants), which happens in real life too. Is it right, no, is it fair, no, but it is equal. To give it an easier illustration, think of it like the bathroom issues as of late, in regards to trans/pangender individuals. Right now we have separate but equal restrooms, but some people want to use the one others say they aren't allowed to use. Why can't they use it? What's the harm? Yet some people refuse to allow anything like that to happen, even though it would, for the most part, cause no harm.

Problems like these are basically all alike. Just because it's not fair, doesnt mean it's not equal.

[Lukha]

For a long while they were making a male and female outfit of things, with only the female version being exclusive, and the male being unisex. The bunny outfit just happened to be the "last straw" as it were.

That's still kinda what they did here; the actual equivalent item to the female-only Ishgardian-styled gown would be the unisex Alpine coat we got as a quest reward a while back, since they're from the same place and a similar style. Releasing it alongside the smock, which is a Doman-styled item is unfair to both male and female characters, because on the one hand, female characters now have two pieces of Ishgardian-styled gear while male characters only have one, while on the other hand, male characters got a Doman-styled piece of gear while female characters got nothing to match it.

I'm starting to think that SE honestly believes that unlocking the bunny suit was ALL anyone wanted, and now that that's done they're good as long as they don't go too many patches without adding a male item. There were other things people wanted unlocked, too (The female Thavnarian set was as hotly requested as the Bunny set, and spawned a huge topic with some very creative ideas for how to rework the set for male characters without actually having to change much, the Expeditioner's set also got a lot of attention), and no matter how many male-only sets they release, there's still a backlog of female-only/unisex item pairs that they need to do something about, not to mention the sets where the female version is a unique item while the male version is a reskin of something already in-game.

[Zsolen]

That's still kinda what they did here; the actual equivalent item to the female-only Ishgardian-styled gown would be the unisex Alpine coat we got as a quest reward a while back, since they're from the same place and a similar style. Releasing it alongside the smock, which is a Doman-styled item is unfair to both male and female characters, because on the one hand, female characters now have two pieces of Ishgardian-styled gear while male characters only have one, while on the other hand, male characters got a Doman-styled piece of gear while female characters got nothing to match it.

I'm starting to think that SE honestly believes that unlocking the bunny suit was ALL anyone wanted, and now that that's done they're good as long as they don't go too many patches without adding a male item. There were other things people wanted unlocked, too (The female Thavnarian set was as hotly requested as the Bunny set, and spawned a huge topic with some very creative ideas for how to rework the set for male characters without actually having to change much, the Expeditioner's set also got a lot of attention), and no matter how many male-only sets they release, there's still a backlog of female-only/unisex item pairs that they need to do something about, not to mention the sets where the female version is a unique item while the male version is a reskin of something already in-game.

We did not get the equivalent of the alpine coat. We got the dress you see on the material suppliers.

[Eloah]

snip.

Also you forget that you get a Yanxian smock, or whatever it's called, as a reward for completing the Doman Enclave. That keeps the numbers even. I never claimed that having the items locked is fair. But as long as a balance is maintained, it shows the playerbase is being heard.

The items themselves don't have to be a one to one in terms of style, just look at mog station items. They just need to maintain a balance between who has what. Those equal styles would be nicer.

[Jeykama]

Made no sense they chose to genderlock the Smock until I ran around a bit and noticed no females NPCs wearing the model with the tied sleeves (only the young girls did, and those typically use male designs for their outfits, like Rowena's niece) Folks saying it's the DoL set, but no it's not a Yamashi chestpiece reskin. Similar though.

The dress is the counter Adept set for crafters I suppose. Makes sense to genderlock it since there aren't any male NPCs sporting it.

So they're just straight-from-NPC outfits complete with NPC genderlocks. Still a shame though.