Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[SannaR]

So, I guess until you actually do heal and end up healing a undergeared tank you can't really speak on how god awful it is doing a leveling dungeon or even something like the Temple of the Fist with a very fresh 70 who does know how to use CDs but still makes you feel like they're made of tissue paper. Because let me tell ya it's night and day vs a tank that isn't fresh or undergeared. I know I end up behaving like the healers I have gotten that think just because a monster hit me once I need a cure with how much yo-yoing the tank's hp is doing.

I haven't had to tank the dungeon in question yet mostly because roulette never tossed me in it on war and I only got pld to 69 yesterday and my drk is still only 60 but because I greed on everything I tend to get into inventory space issues. Along with most of the time I get Sohm Al or lower because why would the game want me to get used to my new tools. Depending on the job, how close I am to better gear or reaching max level I will go out of the way and que up for the max level I can do and the one before it just so I'm not as much of a hindrance to the group in the rare occasions I do get tossed into a Stormblood dungeon.

[Nestama]

I have been repeatedly calling it the Doody Finder in this thread for a reason.

The thing is, bad player skill is not made up for by the difference between i270 and Doma gear or whatever it is that's best before Abania. It's also not going to make those with good player skill suddenly start struggling.

It kinda can be, though. A tank who doesn't quite understand how to play their Job in i270 gear in Abania will likely lose hate left and right and potentially get one shotted (not using buffs, or doing a Sic Eos and blowing everything at once. I'm sure no one does this at level 69, but that's just an example of improper buff usage), whereas if they're geared somewhat appropriately, they'll be able to hold hate better than they would at i270 and survive the one shots, even without proper buff management. Bad gear + lack of skill = no fun for everyone. Good gear + lack of skill = yeah's'fine. Full level 68 HQ + lack of skill = no problemo.

Once more, no one is saying levelling dungeons are difficult. However, a tank who doesn't quite understand their Job and i270 (or even i260 or lower if they never bought/upgraded tank Shire gear) is going to make things obnoxious for everyone else (as I've experienced first hand).

[Anslee]

So what if you been playing MMOs for nearly two decades,some I am sure some here have more then that. If you think Castrum Abania in i272 as a tank is acceptable teamwork then you got no clue what constitutes teamwork in this game.

Stop telling people it is ok to undergear please. I can bring up you can queue naked all I want when stuff like this is said:

"But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth."

We are well aware what stawmans are, that is all you and whiskeybravo have been doing here, get a clue. Seeing you two stay away from points that you can even reply to because it defeats your position so hard should be enlightening to you who is doing the stawmans. I even EXPLAINED why that statement is implying support for being able to gear naked, such a shocker you did not reply to it.

You are living poof on this forum, why SE must put ilevel requirements for all dungeons because you got no clue what undergeared and teamwork is.


The only reason you are saying this is because you are ignoring what people say here.
I272 is too low for Castrum Abania and even with all this spam, you failed to show otherwise. You only think it is fine because you think you are winning a losing argument.



Clearly not you.
However it is simple logic, level 65 place drops 276, level 67 place drops 282, so why in the heck do you think i272 is fine for a level 69 dungeon? SE sets ilevels for level 70 things, seems like they need to do every dungeon because you need proof from the devs i272 is too low despite all the implied messages telling you it is. Do you math? did you read those posts? Math and the logic I gave here is what shows what is acceptable. You even said you do not heal, so you have no experence what it is like to heal an under geared tank, so you have a very weak view on this subject to begin with. Thank you for showing the world why your posts have no validity on this matter. Has Fynlar ever healed an under geared tank in a pug setting?

Stop being lazy, period.

why would you farm gear from a lower level when you can move on an get it too 70 faster makes no sense as a tank an heal you have the tools to blow through dungeons

[Videra]

I have a very good question: why is this thread still alive?

[AxlStream]

Also consider the following. I currently am leveling classes other than my main. All quests are cleared so rewards are not an option obviously. It seems inefficient to buy NQ/HQ whites that'd be replaced right away once hitting the cap in like... 2 or 3 runs? I know gil comes easy to most but I personally don't have a great influx of it so I hate spending it at vendors for easily replaceable equipment as soon as tomes become available.

[Hamada]

why would you farm gear from a lower level when you can move on an get it too 70 faster makes no sense as a tank an heal you have the tools to blow through dungeons

Why play a game if your going to put zero effort into it?
Why have gear at all then? If you truly believe that why not tell SE to remove all gear except level 70 gear?
Why do dungeons if you are not going to gear for them? HoH/PotD is over there.
SE/ modern MMOs shot themselves in the foot with this design. The game literally hands you gear and still that is not easy enough, I am lost for words.

[Anslee]

Why play a game if your going to put zero effort into it?
Why have gear at all then? If you truly believe that why not tell SE to remove all gear except level 70 gear?
Why do dungeons if you are not going to gear for them? HoH/PotD is over there.

did all my 70s just fine with what i got an had

[Vahlnir]

did all my 70s just fine with what i got an had

If you get upgrades and use them as you go there is nothing wrong with that. No one is asking people to be decked out for every dungeon. All people are asking is that people, you know, use what is available...and not stay in Ironworks gear from lvl 50-60 or Shire gear from 60-70. If you're doing lower level dungeons/raids through roulettes then it doesn't matter quite as much I suppose.

[Fynlar]

So what if you been playing MMOs for nearly two decades,some I am sure some here have more then that.

I'm not interesting in engaging in a pissing contest. I'm merely saying I've been playing these sorts of games long enough to understand what teamwork is, since the implication was that I didn't.

If you think Castrum Abania in i272 as a tank is acceptable teamwork then you got no clue what constitutes teamwork in this game.

Yeah, doing something at a perfectly acceptable level is definitely indicative of someone not understand how teamwork works.

Do you usually blast people for not doing the absolute best that they can? If anything, I'd say that's not very conducive to being a team player, yourself.

The only reason you are saying this is because you are ignoring what people say here.
I272 is too low for Castrum Abania and even with all this spam, you failed to show otherwise. You only think it is fine because you think you are winning a losing argument.

It isn't, because I leveled every class through this dungeon at roughly that gear level and it was perfectly fine. Never once did I feel like I was underperforming, and I know what it's like to feel like you're underperforming because I've been pushed into actual difficult content well before I was ready to attempt it before.

Has Fynlar ever healed an under geared tank in a pug setting?

I've healed for tanks that had less HP than the rest of the party before. (Hint: *that* is what undergeared means.)

It kinda can be, though. A tank who doesn't quite understand how to play their Job in i270 gear in Abania will likely lose hate left and right and potentially get one shotted

If you don't know how to play your job by this point in the game (which is already unacceptable for a multitude of reasons), you're going to lose hate and die no matter what you're wearing. That's a fault of you not knowing how to play the game, not your gear.

You're not suddenly an invalid just because you're wearing i270 in this dungeon. This entire thread has been vastly overplaying the amount of difference the few handfuls of better gear you can get by this point will make.

[HyoMinPark]

Who defines adequate? You? Me? The OP? Hamada? SE?

Who?

The developers give players upgraded gear for a reason. It’s not just for resell or GC Seals. If they truly expected players to run a level 69 dungeon in level 60 gear from the previous expansion, why would they provide the (very substatial) upgrades? That’s my take on it.

I haven't shifted the goal posts at all, I've been trying to stick to the OP story - without everyone's anecdotes stacked on top.

The conversation has shifted far beyond the OP’s initial story, and has been on the topic of Augmented Shire in Castrum Abania since page 1. You arguing with me now is continuing that tangent; neither one of us are talking about the OP’s story at this point. How is talking about the importance of endgame gear progression and why tanks use crafted accessories/have lower item levels than other roles related to the OP’s story (remember, this was something that was brought up by you)?

Doesn't seem like it was quite that benevolent in OP's story. Yet again another strawman.

As I said above, we are no longer on the topic of OP’s story at this point in the thread. I am not talking about OP’s story, but in general, as the conversation of the thread has shifted far beyond just OP’s story and into the territory of what is generally accepted as decent gear for leveling dungeons (and what actually constitutes as harassment, since YOU keep bringing it up). This is no longer strictly about the OP’s story.

We only have the OP’s side of the story. Should we just accept it as 100% true, and accept that he is 100% innocent here, despite his story being quite void of any specific detail? The only specific thing their opening post mentions is that the healer said they had an easier time keeping the DPS alive compared to him; other than that, it’s just OP saying “I was harassed and griefed over my gear at the final boss after we wiped 3 times; the healer was DPSing too much to heal me on the last pull we did, and I think they were doing that to further harass me”.

What was even said to them? They mention no specific comments about “harassment over their gear” up until then (which, if it was just a comment that they are squishy, isn’t really harassment). There’s not much to go on in their story to prove “I was harassed”. I would ask for them to actually provide what was said to them, but they have long since abandoned this thread.

And yes, if somebody joins a duty I'm in and starts harassing another player for being 2 or 3 item levels undergeared. I'm just gonna report them now.

If they’re being malicious and disruptive, then sure go ahead, but a report by you won’t do anything unless they are directly harassing you; the person being harassed has to do the reporting for it to bear any weight on the culprit.

Making a comment about the tank being squishy isn’t harassment, in my opinion. Or telling a tank they need to get better gear. It’s all in the delivery. And, as I said above, we don’t even have specific examples of what was said to the OP: just “I was harassed over my gear”. The healer could have said “You need better gear” for all we know. We don’t.

Inb4 I’m accused of erecting strawmen, though.

But, again: this conversation has evolved far past the OP and their story.



I’m stepping out of this conversation because, again, it’s becoming increasingly circular. But I still stand by what I say. Just because I don’t see the point in waiting for a brick wall to talk back to me doesn’t change that.
Besides, I’m also out of posts.