Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Fynlar]

Fynlar, my brother, I love you and you are doing God's work, but for someone who has leveled every class to 70, you seem to have so little understanding of how group synergy and teamwork plays a role in an online game, especially in a group of random individuals who are likely far less experienced than yourself. It feels like though you leveled the classes you did so just to have the classes leveled rather than to actually learn them and how they work with each other.

All I did was PUGs to level up, so don't act like I have no experience with "random individuals"

I was definitely better at some classes than others, but the leveling process was still never so difficult that I struggled just to clear some 4-man dungeon.

I've been playing MMOs for nearly two decades. I have some idea of how "teamwork" works, thanks. No, I don't happen to think that most content in this game, especially the easier content like 4-mans, requires you to have the best possible stuff for you to not be considered a leech to your group.

With the argument your using is true, theres no thing as undergeared on leveling dugeons or dungeons general.

That's never what I said and it isn't what I think, so good job misrepresenting my argument and then dismissing it as "bait".

It's rather amusing that some of the ones defending undergeared players somehow forget that the average DF is not very competent at their jobs...

I have been repeatedly calling it the Doody Finder in this thread for a reason.

The thing is, bad player skill is not made up for by the difference between i270 and Doma gear or whatever it is that's best before Abania. It's also not going to make those with good player skill suddenly start struggling.

Stop telling people it is ok to undergear please

Stop bringing up the point that you can queue naked please. Nobody here is advocating for that.

Some of the people in this thread don't seem to realize what a straw man is, so I've pointed out a couple examples and even provided a helpful link.

[Hamada]

I've been playing MMOs for nearly two decades. I have some idea of how "teamwork" works, thanks. No, I don't happen to think that most content in this game, especially the easier content like 4-mans, requires you to have the best possible stuff for you to not be considered a leech to your group.

So what if you been playing MMOs for nearly two decades,some I am sure some here have more then that. If you think Castrum Abania in i272 as a tank is acceptable teamwork then you got no clue what constitutes teamwork in this game.

Stop telling people it is ok to undergear please. I can bring up you can queue naked all I want when stuff like this is said:

"But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth."

We are well aware what stawmans are, that is all you and whiskeybravo have been doing here, get a clue. Seeing you two stay away from points that you can even reply to because it defeats your position so hard should be enlightening to you who is doing the stawmans. I even EXPLAINED why that statement is implying support for being able to gear naked, such a shocker you did not reply to it.

You are living poof on this forum, why SE must put ilevel requirements for all dungeons because you got no clue what undergeared and teamwork is.

The thing is, bad player skill is not made up for by the difference between i270 and Doma gear or whatever it is that's best before Abania. It's also not going to make those with good player skill suddenly start struggling.

The only reason you are saying this is because you are ignoring what people say here.
I272 is too low for Castrum Abania and even with all this spam, you failed to show otherwise. You only think it is fine because you think you are winning a losing argument.

Who defines adequate? You? Me? The OP? Hamada? SE?

Who?

Clearly not you.
However it is simple logic, level 65 place drops 276, level 67 place drops 282, so why in the heck do you think i272 is fine for a level 69 dungeon? SE sets ilevels for level 70 things, seems like they need to do every dungeon because you need proof from the devs i272 is too low despite all the implied messages telling you it is. Do you math? did you read those posts? Math and the logic I gave here is what shows what is acceptable. You even said you do not heal, so you have no experence what it is like to heal an under geared tank, so you have a very weak view on this subject to begin with. Thank you for showing the world why your posts have no validity on this matter. Has Fynlar ever healed an under geared tank in a pug setting?

Stop being lazy, period.

[Anslee]

So what if you been playing MMOs for nearly two decades,some I am sure some here have more then that. If you think Castrum Abania in i272 as a tank is acceptable teamwork then you got no clue what constitutes teamwork in this game.

Stop telling people it is ok to undergear please. I can bring up you can queue naked all I want when stuff like this is said:

"But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth."

We are well aware what stawmans are, that is all you and whiskeybravo have been doing here, get a clue. Seeing you two stay away from points that you can even reply to because it defeats your position so hard should be enlightening to you who is doing the stawmans. I even EXPLAINED why that statement is implying support for being able to gear naked, such a shocker you did not reply to it.

You are living poof on this forum, why SE must put ilevel requirements for all dungeons because you got no clue what undergeared and teamwork is.


The only reason you are saying this is because you are ignoring what people say here.
I272 is too low for Castrum Abania and even with all this spam, you failed to show otherwise. You only think it is fine because you think you are winning a losing argument.



Clearly not you.
However it is simple logic, level 65 place drops 276, level 67 place drops 282, so why in the heck do you think i272 is fine for a level 69 dungeon? SE sets ilevels for level 70 things, seems like they need to do every dungeon because you need proof from the devs i272 is too low despite all the implied messages telling you it is. Do you math? did you read those posts? Math and the logic I gave here is what shows what is acceptable. You even said you do not heal, so you have no experence what it is like to heal an under geared tank, so you have a very weak view on this subject to begin with. Thank you for showing the world why your posts have no validity on this matter. Has Fynlar ever healed an under geared tank in a pug setting?

Stop being lazy, period.

why would you farm gear from a lower level when you can move on an get it too 70 faster makes no sense as a tank an heal you have the tools to blow through dungeons

[Hamada]

why would you farm gear from a lower level when you can move on an get it too 70 faster makes no sense as a tank an heal you have the tools to blow through dungeons

Why play a game if your going to put zero effort into it?
Why have gear at all then? If you truly believe that why not tell SE to remove all gear except level 70 gear?
Why do dungeons if you are not going to gear for them? HoH/PotD is over there.
SE/ modern MMOs shot themselves in the foot with this design. The game literally hands you gear and still that is not easy enough, I am lost for words.

[Anslee]

Why play a game if your going to put zero effort into it?
Why have gear at all then? If you truly believe that why not tell SE to remove all gear except level 70 gear?
Why do dungeons if you are not going to gear for them? HoH/PotD is over there.

did all my 70s just fine with what i got an had

[Vahlnir]

did all my 70s just fine with what i got an had

If you get upgrades and use them as you go there is nothing wrong with that. No one is asking people to be decked out for every dungeon. All people are asking is that people, you know, use what is available...and not stay in Ironworks gear from lvl 50-60 or Shire gear from 60-70. If you're doing lower level dungeons/raids through roulettes then it doesn't matter quite as much I suppose.

[Nestama]

I have been repeatedly calling it the Doody Finder in this thread for a reason.

The thing is, bad player skill is not made up for by the difference between i270 and Doma gear or whatever it is that's best before Abania. It's also not going to make those with good player skill suddenly start struggling.

It kinda can be, though. A tank who doesn't quite understand how to play their Job in i270 gear in Abania will likely lose hate left and right and potentially get one shotted (not using buffs, or doing a Sic Eos and blowing everything at once. I'm sure no one does this at level 69, but that's just an example of improper buff usage), whereas if they're geared somewhat appropriately, they'll be able to hold hate better than they would at i270 and survive the one shots, even without proper buff management. Bad gear + lack of skill = no fun for everyone. Good gear + lack of skill = yeah's'fine. Full level 68 HQ + lack of skill = no problemo.

Once more, no one is saying levelling dungeons are difficult. However, a tank who doesn't quite understand their Job and i270 (or even i260 or lower if they never bought/upgraded tank Shire gear) is going to make things obnoxious for everyone else (as I've experienced first hand).