BLU for Duty Finder and Raids! Show your support!

[BillyKaplan]

Yep. I was defending their choice, mainly because of balance reasons and I still can see that being an issue with 100+ skills.

The thing about that is that it's a strawman. BLU is as much of a job as my BRD is when I go into PVP. Do you see that BRD anywhere outside PVP? No? Me neither. BLU could've been in reverse, where you're locked to a set of skills that they do balance (obtained through totems and quests, which they already put in). The one downside to this I can think of is that BLU is still going to wreck havok on the overworld, but that's a problem of design and shortsight because if BLU is really going to be such a troll, it should've been taken into account anyway.
inb4 "it doesn't happen on the JP servers so you other players can burn" like always.

I think SE is taking squadrons a bit too seriously, not wanting us to "cheat" on it.

But they'll let us run it unsynced.........

[ReiMakoto]

not wanting us to "cheat" on it.

I think it would be hilarious if they used this reasoning, because Yoshi literally said it would be easier to learn skills if you get a high level to carry you

[ReiMakoto]

Also extra though I just had, BLU's glamour game is also going to be limited because of not being able to use any 50+ equipment GOD DAMMIT WHY.

[ChocoFeru]

All this drama and polls and nobody even got to play the job yet.

I'm still happy we got limited jobs as long as they respect what the job means. It would suck if one day SE implements Beastmaster as a raid job, losing all it's meaning and purpose.


We'll see how it works the next week.

[Burningskull]

All this drama and polls and nobody even got to play the job yet.

It doesn't matter how the job plays. It matters what you can do with it. Which is Premade only stuff, killing over world mobs, and a battle arena that tells you the weakness of the monsters before you even enter it. Why people consider the collection of spells as the next super huge great thing when you've been doing it for minions and mounts and music and relic weapons is beyond me.

[BillyKaplan]

I for one welcome my new battle fishing log overlord

All this drama and polls and nobody even got to play the job yet.

Maybe because what people complain about has nothing to do with how the LJ plays, and everything to do with what you can play it in. Which really lives up to the 'limited' part of 'limited job', and that won't change by next week.

[Valdegarde]

I'm still happy we got limited jobs as long as they respect what the job means..

If they "respected" every other job as much as they're forcing Blue Mage to, we'd only have a couple jobs in the game. Maybe none, they'd all have to be limited jobs. No AoE kick, high HP, counter for Monk, no HP cutting for Dark Knight, no Ranger, no Thief, no throwing inventory items for Ninja, Gravity isn't imbalanced doing 25% of bosses max HP, no amplified item throwing for Scholar, no gil tossing on Samurai, no option to use your Paladin sword in both hands and ditch the shield, I could go on, and on, and on, and on.

We'd have to have the entire endgame raid scene be only Warriors, White Mages, and Dragoons allowed, and even then there could be contention that Warrior doesn't have thunder hammers like Viking, White Mage needs Dia, and Dragoons need a pet/reraise.

[ChocoFeru]

It doesn't matter how the job plays. It matters what you can do with it. Which is Premade only stuff, killing over world mobs, and a battle arena that tells you the weakness of the monsters before you even enter it. Why people consider the collection of spells as the next super huge great thing when you've been doing it for minions and mounts and music and relic weapons is beyond me.

Because if it works, it would give SE a new chance to make a real dangerous open world, instead of this weak and easy open world. It would give FFXIV new ways to play with the world instead of the boring "dungeons-only" and "raid-only" system that we have right now.

Imagine a Beastmaster with the actual EASY open-world. It would lose all it's meaning. BLU would lose all it's meaning if it had the GENERIC duty-raid rotation.

This thread is like a "stop trying to improve this game" thread.

I for one welcome my new battle fishing log overlord

The salt

Maybe because what people complain about has nothing to do with how the LJ plays, and everything to do with what you can play it in. Which really lives up to the 'limited' part of 'limited job', and that won't change by next week.

Please, gameplay overlord, tell me the difference between a BLM and a RDM in a duty-raid. And tell me what BLU would add there if SE fits him there!
SPOILER: The only difference between them would be glamour and skill effects.

[BillyKaplan]

Because if it works, it would give SE a new chance to make a real dangerous open world, instead of this weak and easy open world. It would give FFXIV new ways to play with the world instead of the boring "dungeons-only" and "raid-only" system that we have right now.

Changing the open world can and arguably should happen regardless of BLU. And they should do it regardless of BLU because otherwise they're forcing everyone to play certain LJs just to get around from town to town.
Why should I care about Beastmaster in the overworld when I'm playing a BRD? But BRD is already in the game so the devs really, really should care about it when they redesign the overworld.

This thread is like a "stop trying to improve this game" thread.

I think you just want to play a different game.

Please, gameplay overlord, tell me the difference between a BLM and a RDM in a duty-raid. And tell me what BLU would add there if SE fits him there!

The mobility between the two is incomparable, for one. BLM is all about being a rooted glass canon in its leylines with the grateful addition of Triplecast and higher proc timers granting us mobility, but only with limited control and duration. RDM in comparison can move around a lot more due to Dualcast, having two oGCD instant-casts, and melee skills. It also has a gap closer and a gap opener, which are much more intuitive to use compared to BLMs teleportation skills (which need targets either way, and therefore cannot be used most of the time, if your ley-lines aren't up or if you play solo).
There's also the issue of support, and resource management. BLM is never g oing to run out of MP. If you do, you're playing it wrong. That's a very nice thing to have and makes us very good mana batteries. RDM in comparison can go OOM if they're not careful, especially if they use their support - something BLM doesn't have outside of the role skills. RDMs have Vercure, and they have VerRaise.
Now, as far as job-specific resources go, RDM needs to balange its Mana types, and there's all sort of finer toying around with forcing your procs (if you need more of that type of mana) and doubling your mana amounts (who cares if I have 40 more black mana if I double it all muahahahahaha). BLM meanwhile is a game of keeping up Enochian, joggling it, using your instant-cast skills in order to keep it up if you have to, and sneaking in Transpose to keep it until the Polygloat comes.

But yeah, they play the same because they're both casters, don't they?

[Burningskull]

Dragoons need a pet/reraise.

I kinda think DRG needs a rework anyway. Needs more Dragon skills like Lancet and Dragon Breath and less Lance skills. Also more Jumping.

Joking but only kinda.