Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Fynlar]

And you really believe that people would make the effort or have the knowledge to upgrade their shire gear if they are to lazy to upgrade their normal leveling gear to a propper ilvl? They would still have to run 2 level 60 24 man raids for that and they would need to know that they can upgrade the gear, try again.

Why not? That's what I did. We had loads of time to get to i270, just like now we're gonna have loads of time to get to i400 before Shadowbringers. Once 5.x hits it'll probably be made even easier, just like before, with the upgrade mats probably becoming outright buyable.

Some are just greedy too and sell that HQ crafted gear on the Mb instead of you know, use it. Honesty, gear from quests like MSQ should be bond to you...

Well, it isn't. And therefore, selling it is a perfectly viable option. If people didn't pay so much for it, people like me wouldn't have bothered.

Many people will actually go after this stuff because it's the gear with the highest "replay value" (the highest stuff at each level cap), and because like I've been saying all along, it's more than good enough to take you to the next level cap, despite so many opinions to the contrary.

You clearly act like that tank that blames the healer that gets one shot by a tank buster since you are acting like it is ok to enter a dungeon under geared.

You're clearly acting like someone that's making up scenarios that I never actually experienced to try to explain how right you are.

So you say the same thing, to provoke others to say the same thing, that is why you are wrong with "a lot of people could do with the same advice" If you stopped posting your misguided views, then others would not have to keep repeating themselves to debunk what you keep repeating.

That's exactly what I've kept thinking. If other people would stop posting their misguided views about how Abania is too hard with i270 gear, I wouldn't have to keep responding. But hey, you guys kept this thread alive for the past two weeks, so here I am again!

For your statement on " It isn't difficult at all to augment the gear anymore" you know what is not difficult? running the dungeon before for exp and putting on gear you find, and the guaranteed drop at the end.

That takes time to do, and I already had the i270 before SB even hit, along with many many others.

I do not care about having the best gear possible, what I care about is people not running dungeons gimp making 3 others who might not be able to handle that, to make the dungeon manageable.

You do care, because there simply isn't much room for improvement past i270 for Abania, just like how there wasn't much room past i130 for Vault and Gubal. If you're insisting i270 is too low, then what you're asking for is basically the best possible gear.

[Zephera]

I see Fynlar's back trying to justify being a drag on party members.

[Vahlnir]

I see Fynlar's back trying to justify being a drag on party members.

You do care, because there simply isn't much room for improvement past i270 for Abania, just like how there wasn't much room past i130 for Vault and Gubal. If you're insisting i270 is too low, then what you're asking for is basically the best possible gear.

There's an 18 level difference. Crafted pieces start to increase it around 64. Heck, the lvl 65 dungeon gives a 276 item level gear itself. Doma Castle gives 282. 288 is what Castrum Abania gives. That's no small thing especially as a tank or healer, and crafted pieces help fill the gaps between dungeons. There is also 0 reason to not keep yourself sufficiently geared regardless of your role.

[Zephera]

And I have nothing else to say, I've said my part long before as has everyone else. This thread will continue repeating the same tired points over and over again till it gets forgotten again, only reason it came back now is because it got necro'd.

[Vahlnir]

And I have nothing else to say, I've said my part long before as has everyone else. This thread will continue repeating the same tired points over and over again till it gets forgotten again, only reason it came back now is because it got necro'd.

My response was more or less sarcasm, but I understand it's hard to read intent through text alone.

[Zephera]

My response was more or less sarcasm, but I understand it's hard to read intent through text alone.

Ah, fair enough then, sorry for misreading. :P Just easy to read almost everything as hostile in this thread given how heated it gets.

[Ilan]

And I have nothing else to say, I've said my part long before as has everyone else. This thread will continue repeating the same tired points over and over again till it gets forgotten again, only reason it came back now is because it got necro'd.

You mean you've said everything you could without risking a ban?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

There are numerous examples of SE not expecting their players to do a lot of things their players have done. Not sure how culture has anything to do with it, for example, I'm sure players on both sides of the pond used lv60 STR accessories on tanks at SB launch due to SE's oversight. Common sense isn't culturally restricted..

Again taking a comment out of context, what I said about "can't be proven" was in relation to joining random DF group to test my undergeared WAR alt. It is an actual limitation since it didn't meet requirements to join. I can't prove it. But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth. The whole concept of being on a "team" is predicated on the idea that we are stronger by working together. Sure, every player would like to be on a "super team" with all the best players around them but that's just not how team games work, it's not how the world works. It's a responsibility of the more capable players to carry a larger burden and bring the team to victory.

I'mma leave this here: friendly reminder once again...

Guess I belong!

[BiffWellington]

I currently have an iLevel of 250 at level 63. Should I be worried about being adequate for DPS in this level 67 dungeon when it comes up in the MSQ?

[Hamada]

That's exactly what I've kept thinking. If other people would stop posting their misguided views about how Abania is too hard with i270 gear, I wouldn't have to keep responding. But hey, you guys kept this thread alive for the past two weeks, so here I am again!

You are the one that is misguided view, and the proof is you can't even respond to main points given, despite being told several times. Do I really need to spell it out again? You are making people repeat themselves because you are unable to admit being wrong, so you ignore those strongest points because you can't think of a way to reply to them.

"that takes time to do"

THEN DO NOT PLAY this game if you can't put time in it, end of story. If you can't be give your party a decent amount of respect by being geared to an acceptable level, they have every right to kick you at the 5 min mark because SE did not expect people to shortcut like this and disrespect others. "That takes time to do" so explain to me why should 3 others take longer to do a dungeon because you want to give minuman effort? Clearly you do not have enough time for this game anymore.

You do care, because there simply isn't much room for improvement past i270 for Abania, just like how there wasn't much room past i130 for Vault and Gubal. If you're insisting i270 is too low, then what you're asking for is basically the best possible gear.

This is why I do not like you misinforming people. I really feel sorry for people you try to advice. This is flat out wrong and I believe MANY people stated all the problems with this statement long ago in this thread.

130 in Vault and Gubal (after nerfs) does not COMPARE AT ALL to 270 in Castrum Abania. 270 is gimp for Castrum Abania. I am not telling people they need i288 ilevel for it, but it needs be better then i270. I am not asking for the best possible gear, do not put words in my mouth.

By that logic, it's perfectly fine to enter Castrum Abania in level 1 glamour gear. The dungeon isn't gonna stop you like the 50, 60 and 70 dungeons, after all.
Most people, specifically in PuGs, don't enjoy the feeling of carrying someone to victory. Especially if that victory involves an Extreme Trial and mounts in the loot pool. It sucks when you're one of the few people who do everything right and carry the group (with two-six others) and then lose out on a roll for the mount when someone who KO'd 5+ times gets it (it almost feels like a pyramid scheme).

"Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272"
yes it is, your (as in Fynlar) post did nothing to show logical argument that should suggest otherwise.

Guess I belong!

gave it a like, and there is your proof this is an oversight. My guess why it is made this way is from cultural differences, i doubt doing this is a problem with Japanese players, or they would made changes to this long ago.

I currently have an iLevel of 250 at level 63. Should I be worried about being adequate for DPS in this level 67 dungeon when it comes up in the MSQ?

It is a bit low, the 61 one drops 260 and the 63 one is 270, however if you know how do rotations I doubt people will say anything. If kills take 2 mins per pull, someone may check people's gear or make comments asking why. Plus it matters how you get that average, is the left 260-270 while the right is lower? you are fine, if it is the reverse, then that would be not acceptable.