It's gone too far about the mog station SE

[Metalwrath]

I updated the post he quoted to include some examples regarding inventory expansion. Anyone with an MMO background (in pay to play AAA titles) expects inventory expansion to be part of the game. I can't think of a single subscription MMO where this *isn't* the case. If all you play is single player JRPGs and social/mobile games, maybe this is foreign to you. Otherwise you're just ignoring the collective experience of basically everyone who has played MMOs from The Realm to M59 to UO to EQ to SWG to DAoC to FFXI to . . . yeah, I can't think of a single subscription-based MMO where inventory expansion was or is a paid premium.

You say it's not affecting gameplay or development, but just because you haven't noticed the evidence of it doesn't mean it's untrue. You're welcome to read my post further above where I explain the preponderance of evidence supporting my claim.

The very fact that we don't have expansion quests, or vendor-purchasable bags, or crafted bags, or anything remotely like that, in-game, is its own proof that the desire to monetize it as a premium service affected the original game design. Every other game in this category has it, you researched those games to make this one, and then decided not to? Why not? Dollar signs.

VVV
You're not wrong. I don't care about the $7 emote and it has nothing to do with my argument.

Have you actually played since 2014 like your join date claims?
Because if you did you'd be aware that twice they increased the inventory size.They also added chocobo saddles and glamor warddrobe.
All these were the free inventory expansions you are claiming we didnt get.

[SturmChurro]

I don't know what to tell you except that to participate in the conversation you're going to have to read the thread. Everything you're acting confused about has been discussed, by me and others, over the past half dozen pages.

I am participating in the conversation. This game decides to give you all the inventory space at the start without it being locked behind bags, and because there are no bags to unlock more space you feel like you are somehow missing out.

Have you actually played since 2014 like your join date claims?
Because if you did you'd be aware that twice they increased the inventory size.They also added chocobo saddles and glamor warddrobe.
All these were the free inventory expansions you are claiming we didnt get.

I didn't even think of those. This game has a HUGE amount of space without paying extra.

[Metalwrath]

I am participating in the conversation. This game decides to give you all the inventory space at the start without it being locked behind bags, and because there are no bags to unlock more space you feel like you are somehow missing out.

I didn't even think of those. This game has a HUGE amount of space without paying extra.

Not to mention Yoshi recently mentioned they are workign towards increasing glamor dresser amount it can hold to 400 and they wont be charging players for that.

[SturmChurro]

Not to mention Yoshi recently mentioned they are workign towards increasing glamor dresser amount it can hold to 400 and they wont be charging players for that.

What about your armoury too?! This game has literally more space than any other mmorpg I've played that I can think of, and it's right there. At the start. No bags, no bs.

Also, what does this even have to do with the mogstation?

[Adrestia]

As someone else mentioned above, the amount of inventory space you use in this game is also dramatically larger than what you need in other games.

As I mentioned above, there is no numerical value of inventory space that is the correct amount. It becomes incorrect the moment the decision whether to offer it or not is based on monetization strategy as opposed to game design.

As I also mentioned above, additional retainers are a monetization strategy, as shown by the fact that at a dollar a month the price has nothing to do with the cost of offering the capability and everything to do with...well, monetization.

If the game wants to limit inventory space because of game design reasons, either because playing Tetris with your inventory is part of the game (Diablo) or because encumbrance has an effect on your character (EverQuest: monk, UO, Realm, many others), that is 100% fine. I mean, maybe they get the balance wrong and it's not optimally fun, but their hearts are in the right place.

As for whether I've been active during inventory expansion, yes absolutely. I'm not claiming we never got those "gifts" from the development team. The fact that we got them increases the number of slots we have. See my point above where the number is irrelevant to me.

So to recap:
I support the selling of optional content on the Mog Station, so long as that is truly additional content that was not poached from the game (addendum, so long as the inclusion of it on the Mog Station was not used internally as justification that they could slow the pace of content being added to the core game; The Mog Station should have 0.00000% influence on core game design).

I do not support the selling of content, perceived to be optional, truly optional, or otherwise, if it falls into a reasonable expectation by a player of the genre that it would be part of the core game.

I do not support the selling of content that was slated to be in the game but pulled out to the Mog Station.

Let the game designers do their jobs to the best of their ability, and don't coach them based on a desire to make more money. Let the Mog Station team to their jobs to the best of their ability, and there will still be income.

E: What it has to do with the Mog Station is that both are part of the game's microtransaction monetization strategy, and if one is being run in a way that affects core game development, then it's going to be a hard sell that the other isn't as well.

[Metalwrath]

But extra retainers was never 'poached' from the game.
They never promised extra as a free service.It's just an optional service if people choose to want more.
They've already provided you with 2 free retainers in the game.
And the mogstation has 0 influence on the game design apart from the fact it helps fund the game.

[Adrestia]

Again (I swear, like the fifth time), the norms of the genre indicate that inventory expansion should be available ingame. That SE didn't explicitly promise them isn't the point. An MMO player who goes and picks up a box isn't coming to the game basing their expectations on what a company they weren't following did or did not promise in one of the many channels SE uses to communicate with the player base.

Also, how certain are you that the Mog Station isn't influencing game design? How really, really certain?
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, they aren't allowing MSQ skip potions to be a stand-in for an immediate fix to CM/Prae?

[SturmChurro]

So, if the option to buy extra retainers wasn't in the game to begin with, then everything would be perfect!

[Metalwrath]

Again (I swear, like the fifth time), the norms of the genre indicate that inventory expansion should be available ingame. That SE didn't explicitly promise them isn't the point. An MMO player who goes and picks up a box isn't coming to the game basing their expectations on what a company they weren't following did or did not promise in one of the many channels SE uses to communicate with the player base.

Also, how certain are you that the Mog Station isn't influencing game design? How really, really certain?
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, they aren't allowing MSQ skip potions to be a stand-in for an immediate fix to CM/Prae?

But inventory expansion is available in game.You get 2 retainers,Glamor dresser and chocobo saddle bag and armoire.ALL FREE.
And like i have stated they increased inventory size.
Chocobo saddlebag is your MMO version of buying a bag to increase inventory size.You dont even have to do quest to get it once you have chocobo or is it a drop or somehting you need to buy off a vendor npc.
And claiming story skip is to solve the cm/prae issue? Are you serious?
There is pf and roulette for that which are both still doing the job fine.
Where do you get these rediculous theories from?

[dotsforlife]

I mean unless you're pretty busy into the crafting life nobody should be whining about inventory lol... And even then there are options. Houses store their own items. Glam dresses stores their own items. Personal inventories have been expanded. Etc. The inventory argument can't really be made unless you're heavy into crafting and you hoard a bunch of non patch relevant items around. If so that's on you. (I'm an omnicrafter btw) I'll agree Mog Station is out of hand, but that ship sailed years ago. Y'all too late on that one. Stop whining and pony up the cash for luxuries or make do with what you have. Lord knows y'all won't "quit" anyways.