Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[jon041065]

Ya know...you guys ought to check the recent interview on Reddit. Yoshida explicitly explains why BLU couldn't be in XIV at first.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...shida_summary/

Here's an excerpt from the interview that I believe is important, quoted from Yoshida himself:

"If we were to implement BLU as a normal job, there would be restrictions like "I can't raid until i learn all my new moves" or "I can't go to dungeons because i haven't learned those AoEs". You might think "I'm fine with that" at first, but you have to do that for every expansion. Everyone else is farming while you are learning to get to the startline, and it ends up being just annoying. Then what happens? The world fist teams won't use BLU. That doesn't mean we can just let BLUs have magic with extremely tilted synergies, because then BLU just becomes mandatory. If we are put in that situation where BLU has to be treated as a normal job, you won't be able to play BLU the way it's supposed to be fun."

This explanation tells us quite a bit about why BLU can't be brought into the raid scene. Let alone, there's more in the interview saying how difficult it could be to balance given it's a multi-purpose job. I'd recommend reading it so as to get an understanding as to Yoshida and the dev team's perspective on why they created a "limited job".

It's still poor excuses in my opinion. Spell learning doesn't have to be so rare that it takes so much time that you can't be done with it by the time a raid opens. Blu being mandatory would be poor balance and something that's within their control if they chose to make BLU a full job. Final reason sounds like stuff the WoW devs have been saying for a decade. The "we will tell you what's fun" reasoning for things has not gone well for that game.

I'll admit that now it does look like they will just let BLU die if the limited job concept isn't received well instead of adding a way for BLU to be used in the full game so I'm done trying. I'll probably check on the game again in two years to see how everything played out and if I want to give the game another shot.

I honestly do hope others that were also asking for BLU for years and feel like what is being added next month is acceptable do enjoy it.

[HyperiusUltima]

It's still poor excuses in my opinion. Spell learning doesn't have to be so rare that it takes so much time that you can't be done with it by the time a raid opens. Blu being mandatory would be poor balance and something that's within their control if they chose to make BLU a full job. Final reason sounds like stuff the WoW devs have been saying for a decade. The "we will tell you what's fun" reasoning for things has not gone well for that game.

I'll admit that now it does look like they will just let BLU die if the limited job concept isn't received well instead of adding a way for BLU to be used in the full game so I'm done trying. I'll probably check on the game again in two years to see how everything played out and if I want to give the game another shot.

Well, I guess we can see you whenever Shadowbringers comes out and BLU will still be here. They've already got enough development time on it and the Battle Team Lead already has a crapload of spells probably crammed for Lv 60, 70, and 80 already.

As for their reasoning, I can see why they can't really just brute force it into XIV as another Caster job that "learns" as it levels...and to be honest, I want to believe that Yoshida didn't want a cop out of Blue Mage's origins just so that they could appease fans. Sticking true to its roots is what makes Blue Mage stand out, and what has defined it over the years with the learning archetype. I mean, we had XI's Blue Mage, but just because it's not going to be in raid content doesn't mean that they're not gonna allow it in there. You can pre-make Lv 50 Synced parties if you really want to challenge BLU's capabilities.

If you just up and say "Well, here's Blue Mage. Have fun with all the abilities you're going to get spoonfed!" It becomes rather dull considering how many jobs we already learn abilities and skills automatically from...about fifteen of them? Making a new job that actually stands on its own in a unique way allows more creative freedom with the game, instead of having to worry about balancing everything in place so the difficulty of the current raid tier isn't thrown out of whack. Yoshida already speaks volumes in the interview.

Just because it's not the same formula for creating a job doesn't mean they can't be inventive with new things. Allow them that freedom at least once and see what you think of it.

...also, before you get started talking about Diadem 2.0(Eureka), I'm just going to say that they simply are trying to make content that the community would want that's enjoyable. There's many differing opinions anyway about BLU and Eureka, so just "Agree to Disagree" as they say.

[Huntrss]

It's still poor excuses in my opinion. Spell learning doesn't have to be so rare that it takes so much time that you can't be done with it by the time a raid opens. Blu being mandatory would be poor balance and something that's within their control if they chose to make BLU a full job. Final reason sounds like stuff the WoW devs have been saying for a decade. The "we will tell you what's fun" reasoning for things has not gone well for that game.

I'll admit that now it does look like they will just let BLU die if the limited job concept isn't received well instead of adding a way for BLU to be used in the full game so I'm done trying. I'll probably check on the game again in two years to see how everything played out and if I want to give the game another shot.

I honestly do hope others that were also asking for BLU for years and feel like what is being added next month is acceptable do enjoy it.

It's a tissue paper Excuse That Yoshinda is to chicken to deliver that's all it means on (Blue Mage) can I see his point Yes .. Should Blue Mages be made this way yes. The Limited Job System is the One that needs taken out or change not the blue mage. this is how I do it 200 spells "Limited Job system in Place" and 80 at start of 5.0 and you raid only if all that is done. could it be possible Yes does Yoshinda think so No. he thinks it will force players to stop before they start. Sadly He's Dropping Feathers thinking there bricks that can hurt. But to be challenge I guess I need to go play GW2 or wait Pantheon is out. It's what he and his team did with the 3rd Ult this time woops we hurt them so lets only do 2 Ult and call it done for 4.X Series. All I see as of Now thanks to Yoshinda is better pack up and Get ready to Leave.

[HyperiusUltima]

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Yoshida says No for good reason in the quotation I cited. It's the same counter-argument I've been saying before this, too: You can't throw BLU into a raid tier saying it's gonna fit without breaking it; let alone, I think the people would be disappointed if BLU turned out to be just another familiar caster that doesn't learn from monsters at all when it's known to. If you want a good history on it, you should go play Final Fantasy V(Job), VI(Strago), IX(Quina), X(Khimari)/X-2(Blue Bullet ability) or hell, even go play XI and you'll still find that ever since its first iteration in V, it has learned from Monsters.

[Huntrss]

Yoshida says No for good reason in the quotation I cited. It's the same counter-argument I've been saying before this, too: You can't throw BLU into a raid tier saying it's gonna fit without breaking it; let alone, I think the people would be disappointed if BLU turned out to be just another familiar caster that doesn't learn from monsters at all when it's known to. If you want a good history on it, you should go play Final Fantasy V(Job), VI(Strago), IX(Quina), X(Khimari)/X-2(Blue Bullet ability) or hell, even go play XI and you'll still find that ever since its first iteration in V, it has learned from Monsters.

I get all that and plus I can't play FFXI even though I'm scribed to it and can log in and run around and go kill things for less then oh I say a min and then I go DC, Rinse and repeat that like 3 or 4 times get to level 3 DC again. now tell me to go play FFXI again because I would love to play it over FFXIV and it hand holding on everything but then again Yoshinda will not put FFXI on Unreal Engine 4 and bump it up to now and get rid of Playonline even if people are screaming we'll take the hit and one person (Ninja) offered 1 million for SE to do so and again No from Yoshinda even though he willing to put it on Phones with Unreal Engine 4 (Oh I forgot Do we Not Have Phones). Plus I have every old FF game and get Blue Mage needs to collect spells but it's all Bull what they are doing. He afraid we will cry we need to collect spells WHY when signing up for Blue Mage we are expecting that like going into Ult-Raid and expecting it to be Easy you kind of know what your getting and wanting from it. But oh No Yoshinda Kid Gloves are still on and can't wait to Collect them all is not what He wants to hear because he be proven wrong. besides ever hear of warning before saying yes to this your going to have to work for your spells. I really expected to work from 1 to 50 to 60 to 70 to .. don't hold your breath on getting 80 any time soon in 5.X (What and Why????). we have to work hard to be held back (Work your but off, Study, get good grades and Yoshinda will not give you the A you work hard for only to give you an F and hold you back).

[HyperiusUltima]

I get all that and plus I can't play FFXI even though I'm scribed to it and can log in and run around and go kill things for less then oh I say a min and then I go DC, Rinse and repeat that like 3 or 4 times get to level 3 DC again. now tell me to go play FFXI again because I would love to play it over FFXIV and it hand holding on everything but then again Yoshinda will not put FFXI on Unreal Engine 4 and bump it up to now and get rid of Playonline even if people are screaming we'll take the hit and one person (Ninja) offered 1 million for SE to do so and again No from Yoshinda even though he willing to put it on Phones with Unreal Engine 4 (Oh I forgot Do we Not Have Phones). Plus I have every old FF game and get Blue Mage needs to collect spells but it's all Bull what they are doing. He afraid we will cry we need to collect spells WHY when signing up for Blue Mage we are expecting that like going into Ult-Raid and expecting it to be Easy you kind of know what your getting and wanting from it. But oh No Yoshinda Kid Gloves are still on and can't wait to Collect them all is not what He wants to hear because he be proven wrong. besides ever hear of warning before saying yes to this your going to have to work for your spells. I really expected to work from 1 to 50 to 60 to 70 to .. don't hold your breath on getting 80 any time soon in 5.X (What and Why????). we have to work hard to be held back (Work your but off, Study, get good grades and Yoshinda will not give you the A you work hard for only to give you an F and hold you back).

To be honest, I feel like you're just butthurt with what you're trying to say here like many others. I understand people get that, but be reasonable. He's said his part, and let me say it again: Don't fix what isn't broken. The "Limited Job" Concept is more content that should be engaging for people, but to be honest if all you're going to whine about is "My Main Job Is Side-Content" then how about you create a system in XIV where the job isn't going to be behind each expansion if you have to collect abilities?

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't discuss further if all you're going to spout is hate.

[Huntrss]

To be honest, I feel like you're just butthurt with what you're trying to say here like many others. I understand people get that, but be reasonable. He's said his part, and let me say it again: Don't fix what isn't broken. The "Limited Job" Concept is more content that should be engaging for people, but to be honest if all you're going to whine about is "My Main Job Is Side-Content" then how about you create a system in XIV where the job isn't going to be behind each expansion if you have to collect abilities?

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't discuss further if all you're going to spout is hate.

1, Blue Mage is not my main Job. 2, I said I understand him but I disagree. 3, He Said Limited Jobs.

1A, Blue Mage is Not my Main Job nor do I really care what they do to it until It Effects Me then Yes I have an Issue what the after effects are going to do.
2A, Already answered.
3, Limited Jobs (Blue Mage, BeastMaster and PuppetMaster) Now to him saying it will not work with this game (He May As Well Say He Has A Broken Game) because I'm really open to give him the benfit of the doubt on Blue Mage. But as far as Beastmaster and Puppetmaster even though they all share the same types collecting they are not the same at all that's like saying summoner doesn't work in this game then why did you put a Pet Job in this Game (how it should work is Summon 1 Pet at a Time which it already does and yeah the book can kind of be like Blue but that's where it ends). What is he going to say we Don't know what pet your sending out or what part your useing on your Puppet. The way I see it is yes both Jobs would be great side content but over all you may as well add Sch\Summoner to that Side Content and go after all this time this doesn't work in this game.

[Starcake28]

To be honest, I feel like you're just butthurt with what you're trying to say here like many others. I understand people get that, but be reasonable. He's said his part, and let me say it again: Don't fix what isn't broken. The "Limited Job" Concept is more content that should be engaging for people, but to be honest if all you're going to whine about is "My Main Job Is Side-Content" then how about you create a system in XIV where the job isn't going to be behind each expansion if you have to collect abilities?

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't discuss further if all you're going to spout is hate.

you sound like a blue mage hater the main ppl i really disliked in FF11