How Blue Mage Could Exist in FFXIV

[jon041065]

@jon041065

Backlash that is expected and probably overblown (much like that for Eureka). It's a pity that people didn't get to live out their fantasies with BLU, but their day dreams not coming true isn't exactly a convincing argument. I mean I didn't get my dream RDM. Doesn't mean I'm owed my vision for RDM. It's something you get used to and move on. Or end up enjoying. People will pick up BLU and either liking it or not and move on. Especially when they have other new jobs to toy with.

Why wouldn't it make for a tanky healer? It has a tank stance and will almost certainly get at least one healing spell. It will have access to other utilities to help it do what it needs to do. And what if BLU builds is heavily inspired by XI? Is that not a Final Fantasy title? This BLU is clearly taking inspirations from older FF like XI. Just because that was the first BLU iteration to introduce builds doesn't somehow invalidate it as an influence on BLU's identity.

I'm sure that if it gets to the part of having to have mandatory spells, SE will step in and make them automatically learned. It won't be the same hybrid job anymore. It NEEDS to learn these skills in order to work. Think like a WHM without Cure II.

As for the best of both worlds...easier said than done. We all wish that everyone can be happy, but that almost never ends up becoming true. In this case, time and resources are scarce. They can't afford to spend too much time on just one job.

There's a difference though between how RDM plays and BLU being locked out of content. You being unhappy with how RDM turned out would be like me being unhappy if BLU was a healer.

Having a tank stance and at least one healing spell doesn't make the job a competent tank that can be the healer at the same time. RDM has a heal but it isn't a healer. An example would be me playing dancer back on XI and exping in the first jungle. We had a NIN tank that was awful so we booted him and I subbed war so I could be the tank. I was already the group's healer and puller then was also able to be our tank because of the type of enemy we were fighting. We just don't know enough about the blue magic spells to know if limited BLU will be able to fulfill more than one role at a time well enough that it justifies not bringing one of the current tanks or healers.

Why would SE have to make mandatory spells automatically learned? And how would having spells being necessary make it not a hybrid job? From what they told us, at least one MP recovery spell is going to be needed and the rotations will be about managing your MP. Sounds a little like BLM and DRK.

It wouldn't be time spent on one job and more like spending time on what would essentially be a separate job.
Why can't we push for that best of both worlds outcome? Or why be opposed to those pushing for that outcome?

[BlitzAceRush]

In an ideal world I don't think anyone would have a problem with a second BLU being made, but time and resources are not infinite. Meaning if they did as you asked and for 6.0 made a second version of BLU that was unrestricted it would be taking the place of a different job. So for those people who either don't care for or are indifferent towards BLU and even those who just want variety or have a favourite job of their own in mind, their being asked to accept BLU taking up a second slot that could have gone to a different job.

[jon041065]

In an ideal world I don't think anyone would have a problem with a second BLU being made, but time and resources are not infinite. Meaning if they did as you asked and for 6.0 made a second version of BLU that was unrestricted it would be taking the place of a different job. So for those people who either don't care for or are indifferent towards BLU and even those who just want variety or have a favourite job of their own in mind, their being asked to accept BLU taking up a second slot that could have gone to a different job.

Yep I understand that but we are still allowed to ask for it just as people can ask for other jobs. I was questioning why some that are saying getting a standard BLU job and still having the limited BLU would be a "best of both worlds" scenario seem to be against us asking for it instead of joining us or being neutral. I can understand the people that want JUST limited jobs in 6.0 and beyond being against the idea of a second BLU.

[BlitzAceRush]

Yep I understand that but we are still allowed to ask for it just as people can ask for other jobs. I was questioning why some that are saying getting a standard BLU job and still having the limited BLU would be a "best of both worlds" scenario seem to be against those of us asking for it instead of joining us or being neutral.

Well, that is exactly why. I'm fine with you asking for it, I don't have anything against you asking for it, however I don't want them to do it, simply because I am content with limited BLU and would rather have a different job in 6.0 and beyond not a second go at BLU.
So that technically makes me "against" those of you that want a second version of BLU, not because I have anything against there being a version of BLU that's unrestricted, but because I don't want the resources wasted.

If Yoshi came out and said "For 6.0 we can either A: Work on new jobs as we always do, or B: Subtract one of the planned jobs to add the second Version of BLU some people have asked for."
There is no way for those of us in favour of A to agree with you or remain neutral as both of those stances contradict.
Your "best of both worlds" scenario is only a net positive for everyone if it has no negatives, while those who like limited BLU lose nothing for it's existence, it will still require resources that people might like to be used elsewhere.

[ChaseNetwork]

Well, that is exactly why. I'm fine with you asking for it, I don't have anything against you asking for it, however I don't want them to do it, simply because I am content with limited BLU and would rather have a different job in 6.0 and beyond not a second go at BLU.
So that technically makes me "against" those of you that want a second version of BLU, not because I have anything against there being a version of BLU that's unrestricted, but because I don't want the resources wasted.

If Yoshi came out and said "For 6.0 we can either A: Work on new jobs as we always do, or B: Subtract one of the planned jobs to add the second Version of BLU some people have asked for."
There is no way for those of us in favour of A to agree with you or remain neutral as both of those stances contradict.
Your "best of both worlds" scenario is only a net positive for everyone if it has no negatives, while those who like limited BLU lose nothing for it's existence, it will still require resources that people might like to be used elsewhere.

Which, for game development. The Limited BLU has basically already gone gold, as Yoshi has stated ALL content for BLU has finished development. For changing anything before Shadowbringers releases... They should be about 80% done building the expansion already, if it's due June. And besides any reballancing that needs to be done in Test for the new classes, they should have all of their content done now.

As of now, there's no "cutting" any current content to make anything different without pushing out the release window. Everything right now is commited, and fervent change requests such as "Change BLU Now!" If they happen at all, will be only 5.5x or 6.0 relegated.

[BlitzAceRush]

Which, for game development. The Limited BLU has basically already gone gold, as Yoshi has stated ALL content for BLU has finished development. For changing anything before Shadowbringers releases... They should be about 80% done building the expansion already, if it's due June. And besides any reballancing that needs to be done in Test for the new classes, they should have all of their content done now.

As of now, there's no "cutting" any current content to make anything different without pushing out the release window. Everything right now is commited, and fervent change requests such as "Change BLU Now!" If they happen at all, will be only 5.5x or 6.0 relegated.

I'm well aware and agree, my post was more just answering how some of us can have no direct issue with those asking for another version of BLU while still being against it.
It's about resources and their use, not Limited BLU's vs Non-limited BLU's

[jon041065]

Well, that is exactly why. I'm fine with you asking for it, I don't have anything against you asking for it, however I don't want them to do it, simply because I am content with limited BLU and would rather have a different job in 6.0 and beyond not a second go at BLU.
So that technically makes me "against" those of you that want a second version of BLU, not because I have anything against there being a version of BLU that's unrestricted, but because I don't want the resources wasted.

If Yoshi came out and said "For 6.0 we can either A: Work on new jobs as we always do, or B: Subtract one of the planned jobs to add the second Version of BLU some people have asked for."
There is no way for those of us in favour of A to agree with you or remain neutral as both of those stances contradict.
Your "best of both worlds" scenario is only a net positive for everyone if it has no negatives, while those who like limited BLU lose nothing for it's existence, it will still require resources that people might like to be used elsewhere.

Then you and whoever else wouldn't agree that it's a best case scenario for there to be a second BLU. You believe the time and resources should be spent on another job and that's fine.

Limited BLU is side content and that's why Yoshi P paired it up with Diadem and Eureka when replying to that question in the press thing they did during Fan Fest weekend. Everyone can ask for what future JOBS they will like to see and some of us are asking for BLU to be one of them just as we were before last month.

[ChaseNetwork]

I'm well aware and agree, my post was more just answering how some of us can have no direct issue with those asking for another version of BLU while still being against it.
It's about resources and their use, not Limited BLU's vs Non-limited BLU's

The Reply With Quote was more just lazy clicking to make a post. Was more going along with what you were saying with a different perspective, rather that directly replying to you. Sorry.

[BlitzAceRush]

The Reply With Quote was more just lazy clicking to make a post. Was more going along with what you were saying with a different perspective, rather that directly replying to you. Sorry.

Ah, no worries.