Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[jon041065]

The community as a whole did ask for blue mage. We were told that it would have to be implemented in a way like it is. We kept asking for it anyway. And now somehow people are mad that it's a limited job? Perhaps you didn't personally ask for it, but the players at large did, and I think what's really disingenuous is the fact people are disappointed with how it's being implemented.

We were told that's how Yoshi P was thinking he would add it. Same as how he though 2.0 SMN was a good idea. How he though bow mage was a good idea. Personally, I was fine with ARR SMN and liked bow mage but many people were not.

Most of us that kept asking for BLU regardless of how he thought it could work were saying it didn't have to be a solo job. Some of us gave ideas of how it could have worked. There were some people that wanted BLU but didn't think it would be added due to how would spell learning work and could the game handle learning a large amount of spells. Some wanted BLU but didn't want it to be put into a single role so said they would rather not see it. Then there were some that didn't want to see BLU take up a future job slot and wanted something else instead. It's disingenuous to say the majority that were asking for BLU wanted a job that is separated from large parts of the game.

See above. Also, you have not yet seen actual toxicity from me. You have seen sarcasm, but believe me, I can be far worse. Be thankful I actually have a moral compass, hm?

I would say the way you presented your points was pretty toxic. You used very extreme dichotomies that were pretty absurd and then went after the OP a bit at the end of your post. The OP didn't go after anyone in the forums with their post.

Are you implying those of us that want to play as the job we waited years for in the content we choose are lacking a moral compass?

It's fallacious to point out a problem with a single example and base one's entire argument on it.

There are two spells there as examples and it was the two you you used as examples in your post.

The question here is, "Why do you take a blue mage with you and/or be a blue mage in any given content?" I don't really have a problem with this response, but I think you misunderstood the point of view in asking the question.

I understood that you were questioning why bring a BLU into dungeons and again it comes down to choice. Why bring a NIN or BRD or SMN into dungeons? People chose to play as those jobs. It's that simple.

Because if you're just going to clear something by spamming Level 5 Death, it's not fun. There's be no point in learning mechanics at all, because the entire raid wouldn't even last five minutes. Sure, this assumes we get Level 5 Death and it'd work on bosses, but the point stands that the blue mage would need to contribute something meaningful in the role cast for him or her.

We are getting level 5 Death once BLU is raised to 60 cap but there hasn't been concrete info yet on the spell besides this article this other poster read. No idea if it's legit or not.

I don't know if direct links are allowed here, I took it from one of the larger sites for FF14 news in Japan that had an article that summarized most of the news about the Blue Mage. So my guess is that it was either on the live stream or from the recent Yoshi-P interview in Famitsu.

Try "【FF14】防御スタンス要素やラーニング確率など「青魔道士」の詳細が公開されたわけだが" in your favorite search engine and it should show up.

You say that, but not every job is for everyone. For example, I play dragoon, and just from my frustration of having to deal with four positionals, I can guarantee you monk isn't for me. Just because it's different does not mean it's less worthy of being called what it is: a job.

You can still play Dragoon and the Monk if you wanted in the content of your choice. I meant that every job should be for everyone instead of a job for solo people, a job for raiders, a job for pvpers, etc.

Let me know when you're done with ad hominems.

When did they attack you instead of how you were presenting your argument?

I played FINAL FANTASY XI, and the fact the blue mage could learn nearly two hundred spells and do literally anything alone was ridiculous. It works basically the same way here from what we've seen, but as a limited job, the blue mage won't throw off job balance, so I'm all for it.

I don't get why people keep saying BLU was more capable of things on XI than it really was. It was a pretty strong DD and the self SC and MB that was possible every few minutes and then Cannonball or breath nukes at 75. It could tank and heal decently but RDM was far better at soloing. At 99 BLU can tank and heal a bit better now but still not as good as the jobs actually meant for those roles.

Blue Mage is for old content like AAR and soon Heavensward and having fun in that. This is a Job you put away when your done not one you carry until the end of the game.

Many of us that wanted to main BLU in all content find this unacceptable. That doesn't mean we are against the solo content.

I was rooting for tank. Makes the most sense. The only identity blu has is get hit > learn spell so it makes sense that they would take the role focused on getting hit.

Yeah I really want a caster tank after seeing how well they could work on Old Republic. They could make BLU fit into any role and did look like there was work to make it be the first multi-role job.

[Starcake28]

Yep, we still don't know a lot about BLU because we don't know all the spells yet and if BLU gets traits from the spells or just doesn't have traits period.

You do realize that you sound like the people saying that BLU can't be a full job when you say things like that right? If BLU being a tank or healer would break the game then it will also break the game as a dps.

No i'm saying making blue mage a 3 role class will break the game not blue mage look at SMN omg i Can't hold your hand also thy Can't make a mage a tank also blue mage always was a dps so why or you trying to break things Tht's the big question if u want a tank you already hve thm warrior and drk me i don't hve anything till January 8 if thy add blue mage thn i will play blue mage to lvl 50 and keep playing blue mage till thy raise lvl cap

[Starcake28]

Callach your wrong this blue mage nothing like FF11 also thy wasn't block from content and held back from joining other jobs.also blue mage wasn't Op from wat i seen in FF 11 every job was hitting really hard but ppl always try to point a finger at the most fun jobs because thy really don't like it. but thy will hide there true words just trying not to upset ppl i know this because i played FF11 and there was ALOT of haters on there because elite blue mage players could solo elite RDM could solo etc but thy always hated blue mage players more its so funny i wish i had posted it on youtube

[Starcake28]

LOL wow blue mage never needed to get hit to learn a spell if u listen to ppl u would know tht omg i'll say this again if u pointing at FF11 you didn't need to get hit to learn a spell iif you talking abt FF5 ETC same thing only thing tht make it look tht way was the battle system wow ppl really.. also blue mage was in FF7 Too if u remember also 8 but she learn it from items also from 10 he used a drain to learn spells but the real thing is this blue mage didn't need to get hit ever u just think Tht's wat thy needed to do i wish all our directors could speak English so thy can explain this too ppl easyer blue mage was never a tank it was a caster hands down casters Can't be tanks because thy wear light gear yes blue mage is a defense type spell caster Tht's better thn most because there aiming for power thy want to be very powerful thn any mage but there not a tank they are a stand along job tht can help out in raids dungeons etc so ya a jack of all but thy Can't be a real tank and thy Can't be a real healer.... They are just dps ya i understand you want a mage tank....... Hmm THT would be DRK right you already hve your mage tank you already hve your whm tank too which is PLD and you have your high dps tank warrior so why are you still trying to mess stuff up i have to agree now ppl will never stop thy will keep saying give me give me till the end of days yes i did want my blue mage in FF14 so i can main it but if it was going to be a tank i'll hate it and i'll hate the person tht mess up a awesome job tht mostly pulled alot of players to Final Fantasy so i'll say this yes i want blue mage as a full job but first i'll wait too see what this blue mage is able to do other thn tht mess at 50 also wait too see how long will thy take to raise lvl cap if thy take to long yes i'll make a new thread but it do feel weird best thing to do is quit the game as a hole so u know the more ppl tht quit the game and thy see thy losing money thy will have to do something to change it are disband the game which mean close it down so u decide what you want to do and GL

[jon041065]

No i'm saying making blue mage a 3 role class will break the game not blue mage look at SMN omg i Can't hold your hand also thy Can't make a mage a tank also blue mage always was a dps so why or you trying to break things Tht's the big question if u want a tank you already hve thm warrior and drk my i don't hve anything till January 8 if thy add blue mage thn i will play blue mage to lvl 50 and keep playing blue mage till thy raise lvl cap

You didn't specify you were talking about BLU being able to be multi-role would break the game. You said BLU as a tank would break the game.

Umm i saw the video thy only showed mighty guard but i till believe blue mage will never be a tank so GL with tht without breaking the game

BLU has usually been a hybrid job and not a full on dps. The game has up to this point been willing to work a job into a single role and that's why I'm in favor of them push (or break) the trinity instead of the limited jobs concept since it's not doing anything to make the game better in my opinion.

If you want a dps then you have nine jobs for that already. Sounds like some bad reasoning right? If you think so then you shouldn't use it either.

I don't understand why you're arguing with me since we both want BLU to be a full job but then again you just seem to want to fight someone for the sake of it.

[Starcake28]

[QUOTE=MrKimper;4837678]I wouldn't because what reason would I have to? is a job really something that you should say? "ah fuck it, I'm bored I'll give it a shot, fuck around in the carnival for a bit"[ you was banned for breaking the term of agreement for language only so watch wat you say

[Starcake28]

You didn't specify you were talking about BLU being able to be multi-role would break the game. You said BLU as a tank would break the game.


BLU has usually been a hybrid job and not a full on dps. The game has up to this point been willing to work a job into a single role and that's why I'm in favor of them push (or break) the trinity instead of the limited jobs concept since it's not doing anything to make the game better in my opinion.

If you want a dps then you have nine jobs for that already. Sounds like some bad reasoning right? If you think so then you shouldn't use it either.

I don't understand why you're arguing with me since we both want BLU to be a full job but then again you just seem to want to fight someone for the sake of it.

Lol your funny and no i don't like to fight i'm just pointing things out to alot of ppl tht really look like thy don't understand how blue mage learn spells

[BarretWallace]

i am gonna lmao when BLU goes live and the solo content gives the community something so fresh and unexpected that when the lv cap goes up and the devs keep tracking the job and balancing it for endgame content and them BOOM blu can queue for df and raids and naysayers are left speechless for a few nanoseconds trying to parse out all the Azure blooded goodnes of the new caster on the block.

(Head Butt) (Do you have it?)

[Kurando]

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To be honest it really depends how we choose to look at this. In some games BLU was pure caster, their gear and often the character representing it would reflect that (e.g. FFV BLU job, Strago, Quina etc). However we also had some FF games where the user of Blue Magic could also play or be a tank type character if they wanted. FFV blue magic could be equipped to other jobs, FFVII enemy skills could be equipped on anyone, FFVIII Quistis could be given junctioned spells to create tank-like stats (although any of the characters could do this) FFX Kimahri could be learn anything on the sphere grid while also having Ronso magic. FFX2 Blue Bullets could be equipped on other jobs again providing a certain level of mastery. BLU users did need to get hit in several games to learn the magic, so it's suddenly not a strange concept.

In all should BLU be a tank in FFXIV? No I don't think so but that doesn't mean that it can't be as history has shown that anything is possible.

[Darkpaw]

Take a few days off for the holidays and y'all are trying to beat each other to death over retreaded ground the second I get back to reading forums. Lol. There's a lot to digest in what has been said but let's all take a step back take a breath and stop with the anger.

No one is angry we got BLU, some people are upset and frustrated by the limited job system which is the core of the issue. Because outside of the specialty content (Masked Carnivale), and a redone damage calculation, and the idea of holding back potential hybrid/multi-role (please note use of the word potential.) jobs from entering end-game there really is no particular reason for it. Which is a valid cause for some concern and apprehension. The people wanting to raid/main BLU in current content as the games progress have a right to feel that way.

Just the same as the people who are content with this implementation have a right to be content. Trying to denounce the otherside is... well frankly... kind of dumb. I mean the equivalent is to go to the vatican and preach the teachings of Budda to the pope. You aren't going to influence anyone's minds or change anyone's opinions. A lot still has to be learned from the gameplay. Now to be fair I'm not saying wait and see any more. By all means there's enough info to start giving more feedback, but base it off the new info not the same tired arguments that have been going on since mid-november. Or... radical thought. Take a break for the holidays and come back with some fresh perspective. Try to see the opposing point of view and understand why the other side feels the way it does. Compassion and acceptance are kind of a big deal this time of year. Try it.