Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[Elladie]

I SHALL be maining BLU. Doing content that's new, sounds fun (I love collecting), and that I can get on with at my own pace without someone yelling at me because they disapprove of my play style. If I ever - highly unlikely - feel the need to run a roulette I'll go on another job. I'll do the MSQ on my SCH because not even Zenos managed to hurt my SCH very much. Really don't get what people are unhappy about, I'm very excited.

[jon041065]

I SHALL be maining BLU. Doing content that's new, sounds fun (I love collecting), and that I can get on with at my own pace without someone yelling at me because they disapprove of my play style. If I ever - highly unlikely - feel the need to run a roulette I'll go on another job. I'll do the MSQ on my SCH because not even Zenos managed to hurt my SCH very much. Really don't get what people are unhappy about, I'm very excited.

People have different interests and desires. You can main BLU where it matters to you but others can't in the content that means the most to them. It's good you're excited and some people would like to feel excitement over BLU as well one day.

[Atomos]

"Are you kidding me!?" haha A little dramatic.

I for one am extremely excited about what we are getting at this time, it's going to be so much fun and they have said they will lift the level cap later down the track.

I do however want others to get what they wished for as well. It would be amazing if they made it the first omni job where you could make more linear ability builds for each roll. I do hope they spend more time on Blue mage to make it what people want.
Just still having the option to go out, learn abilities the same way and be able to have that initial choice of using whatever ability you want even if it is still "limited" from certain content.

[jon041065]

"Are you kidding me!?" haha A little dramatic.

I for one am extremely excited about what we are getting at this time, it's going to be so much fun and they have said they will lift the level cap later down the track.

I do however want others to get what they wished for as well. It would be amazing if they made it the first omni job where you could make more linear ability builds for each roll. I do hope they spend more time on Blue mage to make it what people want.
Just still having the option to go out, learn abilities the same way and be able to have that initial choice of using whatever ability you want even if it is still "limited" from certain content.

I appreciate that you can see past just what interests you and that others want something else/more. There isn't much of a reason for a combat job to be limited from content besides the devs wanted to make blu this way. So it's similar to how they made SMN the way they wanted in ARR. They changed SMN after getting feedback and they can make blu work in the full game as well if they decide to. Just depends on the feedback.

[Darkpaw]

Truth be told. There's always going to be someone trying to keep the fight going because the fight is more interesting than unification. It's perfectly fine to be excited for what we are getting. At the same point in time you can be excited for what we are getting and upset, angry, resentful, or whatever else for what we are not getting. As Jon has said probably more times than he or I care to recount. It did not and does not have to be one or the other.

I admit to being more confused than before after this last live letter about the importance of the limited system. That doesn't mean I outright hate the idea, there are some aspects where it alleviated certain fears that people had brought up, The fact that they are already planned out to a lvl 60 idea is reassuring that they do intend to stand by and update the content which is a very good thing, but looking at the collective information. It would appear that they are putting more work into making BLU fit into this limited system than the amount of work it would have taken to make it a standard DoM job. I don't understand the entirety of a new damage calculation to facilitate BLU primarily.

I get the no set rotation and the tank stance as a likely desire to prevent a multi role job in end game content given that... a multi role job would be.... tricky at best to balance amongst the other jobs, and there would be a number of issues ((ensuring that you can't just swap out in the middle of a dungeon or something or hybrid builds that can completely negate a fight's mechanics or make exploits a lot more viable.) negating either of these issues or the litany of others would be incredibly time and resource consuming, and a likely nightmare from a programmer's perspective, but a standard DoM job certainly seems do-able.

Side note pointing out that I see doesn't mean that I think that the balancing efforts detailed below would take any less time or any longer time than damage recalculations throughout the entirety of the early half of the game, or a number of other odd design choices made.

[jon041065]

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Sadly it's the truth that some would rather keep on fighting. For those that haven't gone through all the BLU threads, Darkpaw and myself were not getting along here on the forums at all a month ago. I'm glad that we are not letting what happened then prevent us from saying that it's better to work together. Dark has been mostly in the middle of this whole debate and I look forward to the threads they said will be put up eventually. I might have some points of my own and disagreements but I think the important thing is to realize that most of us want a similar end goal and the debate is really over how to get there. And yes I'm tired of having to repeat that it doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. I'd like to see most of us get something we can be excited about from BLU now or eventually one day.

On the multi-role stuff, I think having it be where hybrid set ups are possible would be a bad idea and a massive balancing challenge like you said. I would rather see stances or different job stones to have them be their own thing or a talent/spell selection system that takes a large commitment into one role before you can do some content. Then there be a significant cost to redo these choices such as using a reset item that costs a large amount of the uncapped tomes.

[Starcake28]

You can forget it because thy Don't want a job in game like tht Jon041065 they really hte they made SMN with it so why would you try to ask thm for tht when you already know they Don't want a job in game tht can run 3 roles Tht's why i'm sticking up for my blue mage which is dps and i will never give it up to a tank or full healer blue mage because its stupid leave blue mage to do wat its suppose to do is dps and support itself if you want to you can heal or buff others but not be a main healer or tank because tht will break the game if thy put it like tht because some smart but will try to balance there build tht will make him OP WHICH you see thm saying it everyday and you ppl still saying multiple roles lol

[Starcake28]

Blue Mage: We go out and Collect Spells
Blue Mage we have 5 Save spots to put all 24 spells in and we have 49 spells in total (for now) so we have plenty to pick and choose from.
Blue Mage we have party Finder to find group to play with.. Players still want Duty Finder
Blue mage: We can Do Dungeons, Trails and Raids and soon we be up to level 60. maybe POTD
Blue Mages: Players still want us to be a Normal don't collect anything Job and lose everything that makes us ..Well us. Why can't we just be love for the type of Job we are??
Blue Mages: Must not change to Normal Type Job ..But Being pulled by Raiders .. Being Pulled by People who want to main us.. two days after the change Blue mage is not played because it's a Boring Normal Job.

if thy make blue mage like other jobs in game without hunting spells i'll hate tht blue mage because its not the real master blue mage.. so if this is the blue mage we get so be it i'll play this blue mage thy just made over the combo system mess

[Huntrss]

SE wants all Blue Mages to group up and do Dungeons, Trails and yep Raids meaning there going to have tank spells and healing spells. So in a way it can be all tank and all healer besides the Dps roll and I'm not going with that idea. If you don't believe me go watch the 4.5 Trailer where they have a Full group of Blue Mages doing just that in a Dungeon. Really I hear some people want to do a 24 Man Blue Mage in Crystal Tower or an 8 Man Blue Mage in Coil because like they say it'll be fun and a new way to do them. The Very Fact you can Have all 4 Blue Mages Learn Spells at the same time by just 1 seeing the spell and getting it means SE highly in favor of this idea.

[jon041065]

SE wants all Blue Mages to group up and do Dungeons, Trails and yep Raids meaning there going to have tank spells and healing spells. So in a way it can be all tank and all healer besides the Dps roll and I'm not going with that idea. If you don't believe me go watch the 4.5 Trailer where they have a Full group of Blue Mages doing just that in a Dungeon. Really I hear some people want to do a 24 Man Blue Mage in Crystal Tower or an 8 Man Blue Mage in Coil because like they say it'll be fun and a new way to do them. The Very Fact you can Have all 4 Blue Mages Learn Spells at the same time by just 1 seeing the spell and getting it means SE highly in favor of this idea.

And? There could still be all BLU parties if it were a standard job that could fulfill multiple rolls.