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    Please change 8 man raid loot

    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot. I've run alphascape 2.0 53 times today to get a bolt for my alt just to have an overwhelming majority of them taken by the person that really should be the one repeating the duty this many times so they learn not to die 7-15 times during the run. And no I am not going to make a PF to sit around for 2 hours just so half the group can bail after the first clear.
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    Unfortunately, I am fairly certain there is a hidden algorithm in the games code that directly increases your 'lotting power' the worse you perform in any given duty. Example:

    Did you die multiple times? That means a 70+ lot right there!
    Did you do less DPS than the healers that had to scrape up your melted remains with a spatula each of those times? Well why not make it 80+!!
    Were you an active detriment to your party, or did your inability to pay attention to your surroundings, or gods forbid, pay attention to two things at once, kill at least one other person? Then by god congratulations on your 90+ lot on whatever the actual competent players are trying for!!!

    Seriously, the number of times I see Dogs, or Birds before that, or Ponies before THAT, go to the literal worst member of the party is just staggering. The same holds true for the 8 man Normal Raids.
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    Last edited by XoanGrahm; 12-18-2018 at 07:03 PM. Reason: Clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoanGrahm View Post
    Unfortunately, I am fairly certain there is a hidden algorithm in the games code that directly increases your 'lotting power' the worse you perform in any given duty. Example:

    Did you die multiple times? That means a 70+ lot right there!
    Did you do less DPS than the healers that had to scrape up your melted remains with a spatula each of those times? Well why not make it 80+!!
    Were you an active detriment to your party, or did your inability to pay attention to your surroundings, or gods forbid, pay attention to two things at once? Then by god congratulations on your 90+ lot on whatever the actual competent players are trying for!!!
    So as a healer I'd let everyone die and keep myself alive to get my loot ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
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    It can be frustrating when you feel you do really well in a fight whilst a few others struggle, yet they get rewarded with the loot. But in the end it's RNG, the game doesn't care how well you played or whether you saved entire runs, nothing is guaranteed at the end. Just have to keep running those duties till you get what you need really, alternatively look at obtaining gear through other means (like tomestones or crafting) if you aren't getting them for glamour purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot. I've run alphascape 2.0 53 times today to get a bolt for my alt just to have an overwhelming majority of them taken by the person that really should be the one repeating the duty this many times so they learn not to die 7-15 times during the run. And no I am not going to make a PF to sit around for 2 hours just so half the group can bail after the first clear.
    Tell me about it! I did alphascape 3/4 from 11am-3pm yesterday. Now I have been doing chaos for a good hour and a half, so far. Don't know what they could change though. It is a random chance, unless you used master looter or something.

    Usually, I do average, but I think it would be unfair if I am punished because somebody keeps dropping aoes on us. I.E. people with aoe at the very last minute double stack right on top of me. Had a healer yesterday who got triple dumped on where he was standing!
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 12-18-2018 at 09:47 PM.

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    I guess they could follow the Savage thing where you get a token per fight per week, then use them.
    But then people would do these fights once a week (when relevant) and it would be deserted the rest of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot. I've run alphascape 2.0 53 times today to get a bolt for my alt just to have an overwhelming majority of them taken by the person that really should be the one repeating the duty this many times so they learn not to die 7-15 times during the run. And no I am not going to make a PF to sit around for 2 hours just so half the group can bail after the first clear.
    Not gonna happen. You should know the thumbrule: "worst player gets the loot".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot.
    Wanted this for a while. You get 4 tokens a week and how you spend them is up to you. Need to boost your ilvl? 4 Acc's it is! Want to get stronger? Chest + Legs in two weeks.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    After years of playing this game and getting the same results as you OP, i have went months without drops because of how crappy RNG is in this game so i now just run each floor one time.
    I just do not care anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot. I've run alphascape 2.0 53 times today to get a bolt for my alt just to have an overwhelming majority of them taken by the person that really should be the one repeating the duty this many times so they learn not to die 7-15 times during the run. And no I am not going to make a PF to sit around for 2 hours just so half the group can bail after the first clear.

    the amount of tomes you get from that many runs would probably get you a better accessory, anyway. why anyone would do this raid 53 times is crazy to me. with that much effort into a 380 accessory, you could put in learning Savage content for 400 gear.
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