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    Player RitsukoSonoda's Avatar
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    Please change 8 man raid loot

    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot. I've run alphascape 2.0 53 times today to get a bolt for my alt just to have an overwhelming majority of them taken by the person that really should be the one repeating the duty this many times so they learn not to die 7-15 times during the run. And no I am not going to make a PF to sit around for 2 hours just so half the group can bail after the first clear.
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    Unfortunately, I am fairly certain there is a hidden algorithm in the games code that directly increases your 'lotting power' the worse you perform in any given duty. Example:

    Did you die multiple times? That means a 70+ lot right there!
    Did you do less DPS than the healers that had to scrape up your melted remains with a spatula each of those times? Well why not make it 80+!!
    Were you an active detriment to your party, or did your inability to pay attention to your surroundings, or gods forbid, pay attention to two things at once, kill at least one other person? Then by god congratulations on your 90+ lot on whatever the actual competent players are trying for!!!

    Seriously, the number of times I see Dogs, or Birds before that, or Ponies before THAT, go to the literal worst member of the party is just staggering. The same holds true for the 8 man Normal Raids.
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    Last edited by XoanGrahm; 12-18-2018 at 07:03 PM. Reason: Clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoanGrahm View Post
    Unfortunately, I am fairly certain there is a hidden algorithm in the games code that directly increases your 'lotting power' the worse you perform in any given duty. Example:

    Did you die multiple times? That means a 70+ lot right there!
    Did you do less DPS than the healers that had to scrape up your melted remains with a spatula each of those times? Well why not make it 80+!!
    Were you an active detriment to your party, or did your inability to pay attention to your surroundings, or gods forbid, pay attention to two things at once? Then by god congratulations on your 90+ lot on whatever the actual competent players are trying for!!!
    So as a healer I'd let everyone die and keep myself alive to get my loot ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by XoanGrahm View Post
    Unfortunately, I am fairly certain there is a hidden algorithm in the games code that directly increases your 'lotting power' the worse you perform in any given duty. Example:

    Did you die multiple times? That means a 70+ lot right there!
    Did you do less DPS than the healers that had to scrape up your melted remains with a spatula each of those times? Well why not make it 80+!!
    Were you an active detriment to your party, or did your inability to pay attention to your surroundings, or gods forbid, pay attention to two things at once, kill at least one other person? Then by god congratulations on your 90+ lot on whatever the actual competent players are trying for!!!

    Seriously, the number of times I see Dogs, or Birds before that, or Ponies before THAT, go to the literal worst member of the party is just staggering. The same holds true for the 8 man Normal Raids.
    omg yes to this XD I always tell my friends when we are farming anything to make sure they die a whole lot if they want to win the loot rolls
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    snip.
    It can be frustrating when you feel you do really well in a fight whilst a few others struggle, yet they get rewarded with the loot. But in the end it's RNG, the game doesn't care how well you played or whether you saved entire runs, nothing is guaranteed at the end. Just have to keep running those duties till you get what you need really, alternatively look at obtaining gear through other means (like tomestones or crafting) if you aren't getting them for glamour purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot. I've run alphascape 2.0 53 times today to get a bolt for my alt just to have an overwhelming majority of them taken by the person that really should be the one repeating the duty this many times so they learn not to die 7-15 times during the run. And no I am not going to make a PF to sit around for 2 hours just so half the group can bail after the first clear.
    Tell me about it! I did alphascape 3/4 from 11am-3pm yesterday. Now I have been doing chaos for a good hour and a half, so far. Don't know what they could change though. It is a random chance, unless you used master looter or something.

    Usually, I do average, but I think it would be unfair if I am punished because somebody keeps dropping aoes on us. I.E. people with aoe at the very last minute double stack right on top of me. Had a healer yesterday who got triple dumped on where he was standing!
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    I guess they could follow the Savage thing where you get a token per fight per week, then use them.
    But then people would do these fights once a week (when relevant) and it would be deserted the rest of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    I guess they could follow the Savage thing where you get a token per fight per week, then use them.
    But then people would do these fights once a week (when relevant) and it would be deserted the rest of the time.
    Easily fixed by having chests drop 4 lottable "pages", and you can have 1 per week. It's at least a 50% chance of getting one per floor. Maybe to maintain content longevity reduce it to 3?

    It would also mean PF loot groups start seeing more prominence, 2 runs for everyone to get a token? Count me in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot. I've run alphascape 2.0 53 times today to get a bolt for my alt just to have an overwhelming majority of them taken by the person that really should be the one repeating the duty this many times so they learn not to die 7-15 times during the run. And no I am not going to make a PF to sit around for 2 hours just so half the group can bail after the first clear.
    Not gonna happen. You should know the thumbrule: "worst player gets the loot".
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Please do away with this need to have 7 different tokens on these raids and just make it 1 single token used for every gear slot.
    Wanted this for a while. You get 4 tokens a week and how you spend them is up to you. Need to boost your ilvl? 4 Acc's it is! Want to get stronger? Chest + Legs in two weeks.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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