Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Turnipsi]

Flinging accusations of elitism (for wanting decent gear level in dungeon, wut?) and making hyperboles isn't really a great argument and just makes it seem you actualky have none to give. No one has asked overgearing the dungeon, just gear that's from previous dungeons/optainable before that dungeon. It's good you specifically didn't have problems, but doesn't change the situation. Like most here said, you can make it in that gear if tank and/or healer are good. But asking for decent gear given by story too isn't asking for much. Now try to refrain from personal insult attempts, please.

Reminds me, I just yesterday had a beautiful Lighthouse run with tank with 290 weapon. Sure, they made the ilevel. They also tanked nothing that run. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Powercow]

This will not happen in Castrum Abania because you're in i270 gear. It will happen because you (somehow still) don't know how to tank at 69-70.

I never had this issue with i270 gear. You're misappropriating the problem.

You had polite party members who put up with your laziness. But hey, you leveled a job once! Good for you! Maybe the gil you got from selling the gear you got from quests can buy you a pleasant attitude for group content.

[HyoMinPark]

Oh please.

It was perfectly fine with i130. Leveled everything through this dungeon with that gear, too. It was not hard at all.

This rampant fearmongering and elitism has got to stop. The way some of you sound, you'd have panic attacks if someone showed up in your current EX dungeon with i380 gear instead of i390.

LMAO. “Fearmongering”.

It’s not “fearmongering” to state facts, my dude. The HQ level 56 gear was better than the i130 Augmented Poetics, and definitely better than the i120.

It’s disrespectful to run Castrum Abania as an i260~i270 tank just as it was disrespectful to do the same with the Vault in i120~i130 when it was relevant. For clarification, we’re talking about TANKS here, not healers or DPS, though they should also be mindful of at least keeping their weapon up-to-date. Tanks need the extra VIT and defense the gear upgrades give them, especially if they’re the type of tank that doesn’t know what the Rampart button does but what to play like the Big Kids play and pull everything in sight.

Obviously, it doesn’t matter now for the Vault, because everything hits like wet noodles thanks to it being nerfed with Stormblood’s release, but it wasn’t a joke of a dungeon when it was relevant. I, too, leveled all of my jobs through it with a few exceptions—played through it on every role, from physical ranged to caster to healer and tank.

Current expert can be done in HQ i360–anything else is bonus. People hardly “freak out” or “have a panic attack” when someone shows up to The Burn in less than i380/i390 unless it’s extremely so (like i300/i310 or something of the like—i340 is rough but still manageable if you’re good). “Expert” dungeons have always been notorious for not hitting as hard as leveling dungeons thanks to the generous way they tend to sync.

It’s cute that you are the one calling us the elitists though, what with your attitude.

[MeowingKittens]

Can an experienced healer (and good DPS too, since that helps) make up for an undergeared tank? YES. But not every healer has that level of skill, and you CANNOT bank on that in DF to always be the case.

Take the Vault for example. I've had to heal undergeared tanks through that before. Is it possible? Sure. But I've also run that dungeon a lot, particularly as a healer (it's the dungeon that taught me how to WHM properly), so I know EXACTLY what hits hard and what doesn't, when to use my cooldowns, when to plan for emergency healing, how far I can get away with DPSing, etc. I've become so efficient I rarely even have to think about it, and I've applied what I've leared to other content as well. Your average DF healer isn't going to have that kind of memory and reaction, nor do I expect them to.

No party members should have to put up with someone underperforming from gear and have to compensate for it, especially when the game hands you gear on a silver platter. Is it the worst thing in the world when it does happen? No, it isn't, but that doesn't give an excuse to do it anyway. You're a team, and equal effort and preparation should go into it on all sides.

A player who is too lazy to keep up with gear can imply to others that they're taking shortcuts in OTHER ways too. It's possible they aren't; an undergeared tank might still know how to otherwise tank properly, but you're not giving your party any confidence in your skill when you half-arse it.

Just because you CAN, does not mean you SHOULD.

[aesteval]

We're not talking about HW here. . .

Even if we were, HW also had a similarly scaled defense boost for tank gear within the same relative timeframe. Tanks shouldn't be showing up to the later HW dungeons in Ironworks gear (at least when it was current, not sure if that's changed since then) just as they shouldn't be showing up to the later SB dungeons in Shire gear.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I've leveled everything through these dungeons and run into all sorts, so yes, I have. Trust me, it's not as bad as a lot of you are trying to make it sound, both on the tanking end and the healing end. Maybe you just need to play better? :/

I mean, I've cleared Savage and Ultimate. What have you cleared that matters?

Putting aside pointless condescension, not wanting to carry someone who couldn't be bothered to properly update their gear, thus forcing me to basically spam heal them is far different from not being able to. It's the same reason I won't spam aggro combos or sit in tank stance because a DPS refuses to manage their aggro. I can hold hate off them, I won't though.

Oh please.

It was perfectly fine with i130. Leveled everything through this dungeon with that gear, too. It was not hard at all.

This rampant fearmongering and elitism has got to stop. The way some of you sound, you'd have panic attacks if someone showed up in your current EX dungeon with i380 gear instead of i390.

No, it wasn't perfectly fine. It forced the healers to babysit tanks who couldn't be bothered to gear properly. It isn't elitism to tell people put on relevant gear nor is anyone obligated to carry these players. For someone so defensively, you may want to actually look at the comparisons you make. The difference between i380 and i390 defense wise is 25. The difference between level 60 gear and level 68 is almost 400.

You missed the swing by a country mile...

[Ilan]

IMO, item level 270 is good enough to last for all of the SB leveling dungeons. Your mileage may vary on how you time your defensive cooldowns. I've been noticing the lower quality of healers on these leveling dungeons, even with the recommended item levels or if everyone is synced to the highest possible one.

So you are stressing out healers with your low ilvl and call the ones who are not experienced enough "low quality"? I would call a tank who doesn't keep his gear up to date "extremly low quality".

I went all the way until 70 in my i270 gear (plus whatever higher dungeon bits I managed to grab, but I never stopped specifically to try to get any of it), just like I went all the way to 60 in my i130 gear. Went fine, didn't melt. I tanked too. It's like some of you think 4-man dungeons are supposed to be hard or something.

Sold the quested gear for $$ instead. Cha-ching.

You are another example of these tanks that join shit undergeared and be a hinderance for your party.

I've leveled everything through these dungeons and run into all sorts, so yes, I have. Trust me, it's not as bad as a lot of you are trying to make it sound, both on the tanking end and the healing end. Maybe you just need to play better? :/

Oh please.

It was perfectly fine with i130. Leveled everything through this dungeon with that gear, too. It was not hard at all.

This rampant fearmongering and elitism has got to stop. The way some of you sound, you'd have panic attacks if someone showed up in your current EX dungeon with i380 gear instead of i390.


This will not happen in Castrum Abania because you're in i270 gear. It will happen because you (somehow still) don't know how to tank at 69-70.

I never had this issue with i270 gear. You're misappropriating the problem.

Boi if you entered the Vault in 130 gear when it was actual content you got ripped another butthole from those mobs.

If you didn't had an issue with 270 gear during leveling its not because you are such a great tank its because you've got lucky and had healers who did only one thing and that was spending almost all of their mana just to keep you alive and probably dps who were geared properly. Its a big difference as a healer if you have a propper geared tank in there or a undergeared one and nothing you write will change this fact.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

For me a mixture of Bardam's Mettle + Doma castle left side is acceptable, any piece below that need an upgrade to at least level 68 vendor gear. No one is asking for a full 285 HQ gear set.

Honestly, even if you have a couple Shire accessories, it isn't a huge deal. But left side gear, especially your weapon, body and legs make up a massive portion of your stats. There just isn't an excuse not to upgrade. Half the time level 64-66 gear sells for dirt cheap on the MB. If you somehow can't afford it, spam Bardam's Mettle or run these dungeons with a geared job and ask in chat if people wouldn't mind passing on tank drops. More often than not, they will.

[Dualgunner]

I've leveled everything through these dungeons and run into all sorts, so yes, I have. Trust me, it's not as bad as a lot of you are trying to make it sound, both on the tanking end and the healing end. Maybe you just need to play better? :/

How can you be so toxic and yet not have a parser?

Oh please.

It was perfectly fine with i130. Leveled everything through this dungeon with that gear, too. It was not hard at all.

This rampant fearmongering and elitism has got to stop. The way some of you sound, you'd have panic attacks if someone showed up in your current EX dungeon with i380 gear instead of i390.

You were carried hard by your healers if you survived with i130 gear in Gubal. Also good attempt at downplaying the issue.

This will not happen in Castrum Abania because you're in i270 gear. It will happen because you (somehow still) don't know how to tank at 69-70.

I never had this issue with i270 gear. You're misappropriating the problem.

You were carried with your i270 gear. People who are good at this game can make up for people who are undergeared but that doesn't make it suddenly okay to be undergeared.

[Fynlar]

Yikes, what an incredibly condescending thing to say to people who are evidently better at the game than you. Let's tell people with ultimate clears that they need to play better, that isn't going to back fire at all.

People supposedly good enough that they have ultimate clears should not be considering SB leveling dungeons to be remotely challenging at i270, because I sure didn't and I'm nowhere near that level. So yeah, I'm gonna be condescending all I like. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Just because you have no problem spamming Cure 2 for 40 minutes doesn't mean it isn't an issue.

Except that isn't anywhere close to what happens in SB leveling dungeons in i270. Maybe if you actually presented a more realistic scenario, I could take it more seriously.

Reminds me, I just yesterday had a beautiful Lighthouse run with tank with 290 weapon. Sure, they made the ilevel. They also tanked nothing that run. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cool. Ridorana is also nothing close to the 4 man leveling dungeons we're talking about in this thread.

You had polite party members who put up with your laziness. But hey, you leveled a job once! Good for you! Maybe the gil you got from selling the gear you got from quests can buy you a pleasant attitude for group content.

I sure appreciated the gil a lot more than the minor performance increases for 1-2 levels they would have been otherwise. People paid way too much for this stuff.

LMAO. “Fearmongering”.

It’s not “fearmongering” to state facts, my dude. The HQ level 56 gear was better than the i130 Augmented Poetics, and definitely better than the i120.

I never said it wasn't better. But it sure didn't make the sort of difference a lot of you are claiming it would.

It’s disrespectful to run Castrum Abania as an i260~i270 tank just as it was disrespectful to do the same with the Vault in i120~i130 when it was relevant. For clarification, we’re talking about TANKS here, not healers or DPS, though they should also be mindful of at least keeping their weapon up-to-date. Tanks need the extra VIT and defense the gear upgrades give them, especially if they’re the type of tank that doesn’t know what the Rampart button does but what to play like the Big Kids play and pull everything in sight.

I don't see what's "disrespectful" about it. I went through the dungeons just fine at this level. Believe me, I've tanked enough to recognize situations where I was out of my league, and these situations didn't come anywhere close.

If you think nobody should be allowed to tank a 4-man dungeon until they've gotten the best stuff they can for it, that's a pretty delusional expectation.

Current expert can be done in HQ i360–anything else is bonus. People hardly “freak out” or “have a panic attack” when someone shows up to The Burn in less than i380/i390 unless it’s extremely so (like i300/i310 or something of the like—i340 is rough but still manageable if you’re good). “Expert” dungeons have always been notorious for not hitting as hard as leveling dungeons thanks to the generous way they tend to sync.

Yeah, and Abania can be done just fine in i270 too, but people are sure freaking out about that. I see no real difference here.

No, it wasn't perfectly fine. It forced the healers to babysit tanks who couldn't be bothered to gear properly.

You really wouldn't become as squishy as you make it out to be unless you simply weren't trying and somehow didn't know how to tank and manage CDs by that level, in which case that's a problem not even fully up to date gear would solve.

You are another example of these tanks that join shit undergeared and be a hinderance for your party.

Nope, not even close. Try again

Boi if you entered the Vault in 130 gear when it was actual content you got ripped another butthole from those mobs.

That is literally what I did on my tanks, and no buttholes were ripped. Again, maybe you just needed to git gud?

If you didn't had an issue with 270 gear during leveling its not because you are such a great tank its because you've got lucky [...]

Haha, yeah, I'm sure that's it.

In any case, you're still wrong. "Getting lucky" implies it's a fluke. When it happens every time on all of your tanks (including the ones you admittedly aren't as familiar with and don't play quite as well as your preferred tank), there's a little bit more than luck at play here.

Look, I don't know if you've tanked before or what, but it's pretty easy to tell when someone is having to drop everything and spam curebomb you just to keep you alive. The game shows you what your healer is casting, you can see their MP bar gradually plummet, and stuff like Cure 2 makes a very distinctive sound that is particularly recognizable when it's cast over and over and over.

You're assuming that's what happened to me trying to tank things like Abania in i270. I'm telling you right now that it wasn't.

You people need to stop overblowing the issue and generating a problem where none exists, or else you're not going to get taken seriously.

Direct your ire at the people hopping in SB dungeons with *entry level* L60 gear (if not worse) instead of Shire gear, because those are the people that definitely ARE too undergeared for the content they are doing. i270 is fine until 70, and all my personal experience with leveling every job primarily through SB dungeons points toward this being the case, just like it did with i130 until 60.

You were carried hard by your healers if you survived with i130 gear in Gubal. Also good attempt at downplaying the issue.

No, it really isn't that hard at all. Also good attempt at making an issue where none exists.