Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Mizunoko]

I will admit my ilvl was a bit low and might put a little extra workload on the healer, but its not like i purposely asked roulette for abania. Not to mention the duty finder itself puts a limit on what it lets us go into dungeon wise since it checks your ilvl so just in regard to the games Terms of Service at the least i did not do anything wrong am i not correct on this? I mean i requeued after the penalty went away (because i left the last one) and i got the same dungeon (abania), we had zero deaths and zero wipes and no one said anything about my item level or how squishy i was. Infact this healer was very nice to me. The dps burned down adds before i even noticed them spawn. Again im not saying im purposely going to queue into things at the lower end of the requirements, merely that i feel it was wrong to harass and grief me over it, instead of just sucking up and realizing you take these chances when queueing into a pug and just try to stick it through and do your job (heal the tank).

[RokkuEkkusu]

Well good to know the you and your teammates are doing fine. Mizu, don't stress too much on your item level since you did a reasonable effort to gear your tank roles.

At the end of the day, most debates similar to this topic stems from the fact that the devs still have not set a minimum item level requirement for the Heavensward and Stormblood leveling dungeons. The automatic gear drops going directly into the armory chest from beating the last boss in a leveling dungeon is merely a band-aid fix IMO.

[Emstidor]

The healer who is gonna get hit by every aoe and then get upset that people are wiping is bad, yes. The other team members will have to make up for their shortcomings by keeping the damage they take to a minimum or interrupting mechanics in order to successfully clear.

The DPS who either can’t be bothered or do so little damage that they can’t beat the DPS check of add phases are bad, yes. The other team members will have to make up for their shortcomings by taking on a greater proportion of the damage responsibility to pass these checks in order to successfully clear.

You’re not getting off the hook so easily either though.

The tank who shows up to CA in i272 is also doing a disservice to their group. If we classify the people above, who require above-average play from their teammates to make up for their own shortcomings in order to clear as “bad”, then your low gear level will also make you bad, because your low defense and damage mitigation are going to call for extra good play from your teammates, particularly your healer, in order to clear the dungeon.

Since you all got put in a situation where nobody was able to fully compensate for the others’ “badness”, you all failed to clear.

[Penthea]

But looking past all that there was no need for the harassment at all because it’s doable with an under geared tank, but it’s the gaming world we live in.

The problem is a 272 tank in Bardam and Castrum massively reduces the margin of error for the whole group. It frankly isn't fair to needlessly make the content more difficult for everyone when you can so easily get better gear. It is especially unfair on the healer because their role is directly affected by the tank's defences.

OP's group didn't sound very good to begin with but he honestly made a bad situation worse with his gear. Even if the group was very good the healer still would have definitely noticed that OP took more damage than he should have been.

we had zero deaths and zero wipes and no one said anything about my item level or how squishy i was.

Just because a group says nothing doesn't mean they don't notice, or they think it's okay. A lot of the time people will shut up and put in the extra work the tank's gear is forcing them to do because they don't want to wait for another tank.

but its not like i purposely asked roulette for abania.

But you would have known it was a possibility. You're not new to this game. You know how roulettes work.

Not to mention the duty finder itself puts a limit on what it lets us go into dungeon wise since it checks your ilvl so just in regard to the games Terms of Service at the least i did not do anything wrong am i not correct on this?

The terms of service also allow people to take everything from their fc's company chest and immediately leave the fc without repercussions from SE. Just because you are able to do something doesn't mean it's okay to do it.

merely that i feel it was wrong to harass and grief me over it, instead of just sucking up and realizing you take these chances when queueing into a pug and just try to stick it through and do your job (heal the tank).

I have mained tank since the release of ARR i know my role well

I am a veteran of this game

Then surely you should know that your gear could be and should be far better?

I am not condoning the harassment you received but you're coming off as a bit entitled when you complain about someone else not doing their job when you knowingly had low ilvl gear equipped. Having appropriate gear for the content you're queuing for is part of your job.

[Fynlar]

I went all the way until 70 in my i270 gear (plus whatever higher dungeon bits I managed to grab, but I never stopped specifically to try to get any of it), just like I went all the way to 60 in my i130 gear. Went fine, didn't melt. I tanked too. It's like some of you think 4-man dungeons are supposed to be hard or something.

Sold the quested gear for $$ instead. Cha-ching.

[Laphael]

Not to mention the duty finder itself puts a limit on what it lets us go into dungeon wise since it checks your ilvl.

NO!
Leveling roulette does not check your ilvl and leveling dungeons dont have ilvl restrictions. That actually is a big problem many already complained about.

And as a Healer main: please please dont go into the lvl 67 and 69 dungeon with 270 gear, please.

[Anarnee]

Stuff starts hitting very hard in Bardam's which is the 65 dungeon... I mean I'm sure it's doable I guess, but as someone that has leveled all three tanks through there, and healers, that sounds like a horribly stressful idea. I've had fully geared tanks get obliterated by that boss.

[Nestama]

Last time I had a tank in i270 gear, we wiped to trash mobs because they melted and could not hold hate against the gear sync'd DPS. So it kinda is bad to be in HW gear when you should be in Level 66-68 gear.

I really hope that a QoL update in SH will either give the levelling dungeons a minimum ilevel, or something that will prevent people from entering a dungeon they are not geared for.

[Turnipsi]

not like i purposely asked roulette for abania. Not to mention the duty finder itself puts a limit on what it lets us go into dungeon wise since it checks your ilvl so just in regard to the games Terms of Service at the least i did not do anything wrong am i not correct on this?

Levelling dungeons do not have minimum ilevel. Would you think it was ok if your healer is in something like ilvl 25 gear? Since that's queueable as well.

I feel it was wrong to harass and grief me over it, instead of just sucking up and realizing you take these chances when queueing into a pug and just try to stick it through and do your job (heal the tank).

Again, since you could have glam gear members, just suck it up?

I've healed through tanks in HW gear before, it's possible and needs often heal spam. I will absolutely judge them but it's not worth bringing up and having the storm half of the time.

[CaptainLagbeard]

If you can survive tankbusters and keep aggro, not really. It'll be some extra work for the healer to keep you alive, and the dungeon in general will go by slower. But if the dungeon is doable, I see no serious issue with it.



And regarding the first post, terrible players will always exist.