SE, the concept of "Limited Jobs" is a really bad idea, turn back now

[Shougun]

I was reading many posts for BLU in this forum and many on "your" side ask for it to "never be implemented" "burn" "dead on arrival" and others.
It is the first time, that someone actually said "being turned into an normal job at 6.0".
And I think almost nobody from "my side" (positiv about the current blu implementation) would be against that idea.

Well I think dead on arrival is a different sentiment than "just get rid of it" lol but I've never expected SE to be able to make any substantial addition before 4.5, before even 5.0. I was hoping within 5.X patch series it would get duty finder support though. 6.0 is quite the wait lol, but better than never.

[jon041065]

I was reading many posts for BLU in this forum and many on "your" side ask for it to "never be implemented" "burn" "dead on arrival" and others.
It is the first time, that someone actually said "being turned into an normal job at 6.0".
And I think almost nobody from "my side" (positiv about the current blu implementation) would be against that idea.

Yeah, sadly there was an uptick in people on my side saying things I don't agree with like this blu being a waste of resources. I have myself said I want to see "THIS version of limited jobs crash and burn" in the sense that hopefully SE will see that the concept isn't well received but the content is. That we will get to a middle ground and have both sides happy. That SE doesn't decide that solo content isn't worth it due to the backlash but that they went about it in not the best way.

There have been plenty on my side that are saying to make it a normal combat job AND keep the side content aspect and various means that could potentially work.
And there have been people on your side that have stated they don't want that to happen. That's why our side have been trying to say that it's not a "us vs them" and zero-sum game. A lot of us believe that it's possible for both sides to be happy.

[ChaseNetwork]

I will ask for people to temper their "feedback", keeping in mind that you can not currently give accurate feedback about a product that has had no parallel previously released. You can give feedback about the announcement, sure. But then keep in mind that the announcement is only a glimpse into what we're getting, and has a very vague future ahead of it.

I would like to point you towards the story of Icarus. Daedalus, believed that increasing altitude would bring the sun too close to Icarus, and melt the wax that held the bird feathers on to his flying contraption. This is the case of this story. However, modern science has had time to understand and learn, and now knows the truth. It, in fact, gets colder.

The lesson here is in predictions. They are not fool-proof. We wont truly know how this first-of-its-kind Limited Job will ultimately play out, and further still, we do not know it's future. Square Enix will release it in it's current state. We will play it. Once we have seen and done everything there is to it, then we must ask "What next?" We must say "I liked this." or "I don't like this." It may surprise you, or you may end up feeling affirmed in your spite. It may leave you feeling satisfied in vindication, saying "I told you so!". Or, you may feel shame that it went well, and say nothing.

Presumption of innocence. Innocent until proven guilty. By these terms, we must say that Blue Mage is currently innocent, as no evidence is currently available to charge it with the crime of being bad. Wait till it's been released, and examine the evidence that will present itself then. Only then may it be fairly judged.

[Blokeymon]

~all that text~

>2018
>asking people on the internet to be sensible

New here?

Seriously though, I'm with you here. People thinking they know everything about BLU when we've been given barely 0.0001% information on how it will be, and haven't even gotten to try it out yet is just silly.

Reserve judgement not even for release, nor your first hour with it. Complete it 100%, and then you will be able to adequately judge it.

People wouldn't judge the whole of FFXIV just by getting a GLD to level 12, so how can you judge BLU?

[Reinha]

We wont truly know how this first-of-its-kind Limited Job will ultimately play out, and further still, we do not know it's future.

People criticizing what has been shown so far are trying to influence the job's future as early as possible because SE's development cycle is painfully slow.

[Videra]

It's entirely reasonable to criticize a piece of content beforehand when we have the information. It's easy to infer what SE plans on doing, as they have made their intentions very clear. That said, Blue Mage is not a waste of resources. If the side content ends up being fun, that's cool. But it needs to be able to participate in the actual game. This is what my side is unhappy about. The reasons that Yoshi-P gave for Blue being locked out of most of the game were weak, at best. Not to mention, it's SE actively admitting defeat as opposed to trying something actually new and daring.

[Blokeymon]

If the side content ends up being fun, that's cool. But it needs to be able to participate in the actual game.

No. No it really doesn't. Let me explain why.

CURRENT TYPICAL DUTY FINDER EXPERIENCE

>queue up and get into duty
>tank is DRK, cool cool
>we have NIN, starts prepping mudras, nice
>we have BRD, okay cool
>go time
>DRK isn't in Grit, loses some aggro, but recovers well
>NIN single-attacks everything, except Doton. Lets Huton drop regular
>BRD never uses songs, spams Quick Nock without Raging Strikes, then waits 3 mins while TP regens
>NIN doesn't use Goad or Trick Attack
>no-one is dying thanks to me, but I can't DPS as much because DRK is squishy
>dungeon takes forever
>ask politely why NIN and BRD don't use the skills they have
>"eh, this isn't Savage, who cares?"
>37 mins later, we finish
>0 comms

Okay, now let's take the typical FFXIV player, give them BLU and then let them loose in DF...

>join duty
>DRK tank, mmkay
>2x BLU because of course
>DRK has Grit up, but only pulling one group at a time
>soon see why
>both BLU are using their basic skills that you get with the job stone
>nothing else
>ask why they aren't using their more powerful skills
>"eh, finding them is too much hard work, I'm going to cap BLU doing roulettes and then go find the skills because it'll be easier"
>"b-b-but the game literally tells you where to get them"
>"eh, I cba with all that, I'm only going to get the massively OP ones"
>reach duty expiry because BLU

The problem with BLU is that, unlike EVERY OTHER JOB, the skills aren't GIVEN to you, you have to actively seek them out and uncover them. And your average FFXIV player just does not want to put the time and effort into doing that.

Believe me, I was excited to hear about BLU, but my first thought was "Dear god, DF is going to literally suck ALL of the ass".

The changes don't need to come from SE.

The changes need to come from the players.

And the players just... don't care about how their play affects other people.

[Reinha]

The problem with BLU is that, unlike EVERY OTHER JOB, the skills aren't GIVEN to you, you have to actively seek them out and uncover them. And your average FFXIV player just does not want to put the time and effort into doing that.

In a game full of gating there is just no way to prevent BLU from ruining the Duty Finder.

[Dualgunner]

Summed up: We can't have nice things because people are stupid

All new jobs need to be limited. In fact, all jobs need to be limited. The best way to protect us from DF is to make the whole game solo and get rid of the need to possibly encounter stupid entirely.

[Blokeymon]

All new jobs need to be limited. In fact, all jobs need to be limited. The best way to protect us from DF is to make the whole game solo and get rid of the need to possibly encounter stupid entirely.

I know you jest, but I have had some Squadron runs that have gone FAR smoother than DF runs... in fact, I've had more successful Vault runs in Squadrons than in DF, and I genuinely wish I was joking.