BLU for Duty Finder and Raids! Show your support!

[SoleilAlphi]

There's absolutely reason to say it's a garbage fire. Because it is in it's current state. Designing a solo-focused job in an MMO is just the antithesis to the entire concept of an MMO.

No amount of playing it is going to change it's restrictions. Only loud complaining has a chance of doing that.

and there we go, "I don't like it so you shouldn't like it either" posts right under. These are your OPINIONS, and opinions are NOT facts. You can't know it's a garbage fire because you have not tried it, how about you come back to say this after having tried the class, instead of spouting "facts" in your head. How dare people be interested in it. Grow up seriously.

[AxlStream]

Can't be a bigger disappointment than Eureka.

[BillyKaplan]

Can't be a bigger disappointment than Eureka.

Famous last words right there

You can't know it's a garbage fire because you have not tried it

We know that at launch, it will be locked to level 50, banned from duty-finder, and not meant for group play. And Yoshi-P has said enough to make it seem like that's not going to change any time soon. Which is what people are complaining about. If you pay attention, most people aren't bashing the Masked Carnival beyond a trial at the end of a battle fishing log. They don't not-want it so much as not want only that.
But don't anyone here let any of that confuse you and go right ahead with what you were saying.

Grow up seriously.

If the post really is that bad you can block, report, or just ignore. If the debate has reached the point of stagnation where neither side is going to budge, saying things again only this time meaner and pointing angry fingers isn't going to help, it's only going to get this thread closed (which I'm not saying isn't what some folks are gunning for at this point, mind)

[Cidel]

Geeze, hard to decide which BLU thread to comment in, but I guess I'll settle for this one since it seems to be the largest active one and I've already posted in here once before.

First of all, I consider myself tenuously of the "Wait-and-see" opinion; but that doesn't mean I agree with or even exactly approve of their current direction with BLU as a "limited job." I too was looking forward to being able to play BLU in a way where you can call it "your main job" for content eventually in the future, so it being "limited" is a disappointing turn for me. I will definitely play it/try it when it's available, and like us all, will be able to come up with a more informed opinion then- but what little we do currently know and the devs have deigned to reveal about it do not paint a reassuring picture for many of us. I want it to "succeed" and perhaps foolishly hold on to the hope that the devs will put more than a modicum of effort into balancing it for content outside of "PF-pal-around-with-your-friends-and-the-level-capped-barren-world-outside-of-instances."

I also believe that people have every right to share their dissatisfaction with the job's current perceived direction (just as people can be content/happy/haughty about it). The devs obviously won't change their course for it's release, but it's even slightly possible negative feedback will affect what they do with it afterwards. While not nearly as overwhelming as say, the ill-fated Alliance Raid Loot change feedback, you'd be deluding yourself if you think those not pleased with the current direction for BLU is a "vocal minority;" those for/against are nearly polarized.

Aside from me being disappointed that there's even a chance that BLU may never "be allowed" in DF/current content due to that "Limited Job" label, I also don't think the dev's track record of "side-content" gives me any reassurance about how proactive they are going to be about keeping BLU relevant/ updating the Carnival. It seems like majority of what they release outside of their "raids and trials, memorize then beat! Farm it, forget it, two patches later: repeat! */cheerleader jump*" formula usually ends up falling-flat, and even if it doesn't, they let it stagnate once it's been siphoned of it's initial carrot(s). This has become such commonplace for majority of their side-content that it's no wonder why so many people seeing BLU being delegated to a side-activity (let's not kid ourselves, that's what it currently sounds like on release) as a red flag.

Also, in light of how RNG-happy the devs have been recently (Pagos, Pyros, etc.), I am even more apprehensive about any and all RNG-based spell-learning. I do admit, making the spells 100% guaranteed learned upon seeing is rather dull, but I also find the other end of the spectrum to be far worse. Worse still if you need to convince non-BLU peeps to slog through 15+ runs of the same primal (or dungeon!) because RNG aint your friend that day. Oh, and can you imagine if they decide to make some of the spells on release come from the level 50 hunt mobs? Though, I admit, these may be unfounded paranoia on my part (and are actually easily circumvented), but due to some of the questionable ways that they created their time-sinks, I do not put it past them to gate people's progress this way.

tldr; I will "wait-and-see," but not only does the dev's track record (or lack thereof) of designing enjoyable, side-content that sees meaningful upkeep make me suspicious of how earnest this "project" will be, but things like the possibility of RNG-based spell-learning being a frustrating gating mechanism, like Eureka's. People have a right to be disappointed and doubtful of it's implementation.

[Skyskip]

and there we go, "I don't like it so you shouldn't like it either" posts right under. These are your OPINIONS, and opinions are NOT facts. You can't know it's a garbage fire because you have not tried it, how about you come back to say this after having tried the class, instead of spouting "facts" in your head. How dare people be interested in it. Grow up seriously.

Dear lord. There is nothing to try. The fact of that matter is that it cannot be used in all other job content. That is a fact. No amount of running the Masked Carnival or grinding every BLU ability is going to change that. Literally only outrage will.

I'm not trying to take away the mechanics of BLU, I'm fighting for it's ability to become a real job. I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone. I simply want to improve this broken concept.

So how about you take your own advice there? I want everyone to be happy. You're fighting for people to be miserable because you're content with mediocrity.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Dear lord. There is nothing to try. The fact of that matter is that it cannot be used in all other job content. That is a fact. No amount of running the Masked Carnival or grinding every BLU ability is going to change that. Literally only outrage will.

I'm not trying to take away the mechanics of BLU, I'm fighting for it's ability to become a real job. I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone. I simply want to improve this broken concept.

So how about you take your own advice there? I want everyone to be happy. You're fighting for people to be miserable because you're content with mediocrity.

Dear lord. You have 15 CLASSES to do all other job content!!!

No one's trying to take anything away from everyone because BLU wasn't given to anyone in the game on any other form than the limited one. Nothing was broken! Stop with the maining obssession. There's 15 classes to main already, with 2 more coming along

Jesus, you people are constantly trying to ruin any positivity about BLU by beating people over the head constantly about how you weren't catered to. Board had finally quieted down about it, but you people had to return and start again. Didn't mods deleting posts and threads cueued you all in on how you were starting to abuse it?

[jon041065]

Dear lord. You have 15 CLASSES to do all other job content!!!

No one's trying to take anything away from everyone because BLU wasn't given to anyone in the game on any other form than the limited one. Nothing was broken! Stop with the maining obssession. There's 15 classes to main already, with 2 more coming along

Jesus, you people are constantly trying to ruin any positivity about BLU by beating people over the head constantly about how you weren't catered to. Board had finally quieted down about it, but you people had to return and start again. Didn't mods deleting posts and threads cueued you all in on how you were starting to abuse it?

Oh hello again other John.

I didn't realize discussing something coming to the game on the game's forum is abusing said forum.

So the people that were asking for samurai and red mage were wrong to ask for it because they wanted to main them? There will be 17 jobs in the game this summer but none of them can use blue magic in the current content. There's nothing wrong with us asking for blue mage to be available in the full game as a job in the 6.0 expac. Not everyone will agree with that just as not everyone would agree with what new jobs there should be in that expac.

There are definitely people on our side that are being too negative and saying things I don't agree with but don't act like there isn't a lot of us asking for SE to give both sides what we want. It is possible to have open world and solo content without limited jobs.

[Skyskip]

Dear lord. You have 15 CLASSES to do all other job content!!!

No one's trying to take anything away from everyone because BLU wasn't given to anyone in the game on any other form than the limited one. Nothing was broken! Stop with the maining obssession. There's 15 classes to main already, with 2 more coming along

Jesus, you people are constantly trying to ruin any positivity about BLU by beating people over the head constantly about how you weren't catered to. Board had finally quieted down about it, but you people had to return and start again. Didn't mods deleting posts and threads cueued you all in on how you were starting to abuse it?

None of those other jobs are BLU. Your point is irrelevant.

Welcome to the video games. Where outrage is the only thing that will force a developer to change course.

Don't like it? Stay off the forums. The only reason I bothered to sign up for these forums was to show my displeasure with BLU until it's fixed. So that's what I'm going to do.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

None of those other jobs are BLU. Your point is irrelevant.
There's going to be BLU in the game, and there are other jobs to main. Point irrelevant
Welcome to the video games. Where outrage is the only thing that will force a developer to change course.
Or it can make them ignore completely the people complaining. Specially when it's even less people than the White Raven Earrings outrage (who only got an apology and nothing done out of it)
Don't like it? Stay off the forums. The only reason I bothered to sign up for these forums was to show my displeasure with BLU until it's fixed. So that's what I'm going to do.

That doesn't include beating people who dare to show any positive opinion about BLU constantly over their head. So no, you're the one who has to stay off the forums, because you're starting to reach harassment levels, hounding people in every BLU related thread.

[Skyskip]

That doesn't include beating people who dare to show any positive opinion about BLU constantly over their head. So no, you're the one who has to stay off the forums, because you're starting to reach harassment levels, hounding people in every BLU related thread.

Thankfully that's not your place to judge.

I'm not going anywhere, but hey, thanks for keeping the BLU for duty finder and raids support thread bumped for us.