The scene with Rhamu is interesting for another reason. As much as the Ascians are associated with Darkness, they are always referred to as "Bringers of Chaos". There's no place in the game that identifies something opposite of Chaos for the WoL... Except maybe the scenes with Rhamu.

[we show Ramuh the Levin Crystal]

Thou bearest the crystal which I bestowed upon my wayward charges. That they should entrust so precious a gift to thee...

Thou standest apart from thy kin. Thou art the Bringer of Light, aye... but there is something more in thee...

Very well, I shall consider thy proposal... shouldst thou survive my trial.

If thou wouldst champion the cause of harmony, I must have proof that thou art fit to play the role. Weather mine ire, and prove to me thereby that thou hast strength enough to stay the Darkness which threateneth to consume thee.

Yet if thou shouldst be found wanting, know that all men shall perish in the storm of my judgement!

Come to me, Bringer of Light. I shall await thee on the field of battle!
[battle at the Striking Tree]

I have taken thy measure, Bringer of Light.

And I judge thee a worthy champion. The task of excising the sin that hath taken root in man's heart is thine.

Shrink not from employing thy strength in service to the forest, and the wider realm beyond. Like hungering shadows do the enemies of harmony gather, and meekness will but feed them.

If man is to be delivered from the Dark, it shall be by thy guiding Light alone. Stray not from the path, for if thou dost, thy people shall be truly lost...


I don't know if he's being general or specific with how he talks about harmony, but could be seen as an opposite of Chaos and one with different connotations then Order. The idea of Harmony does fit better with how Hydaelyn is portrayed then the idea of Order does IMO.

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Critical questions:

- as an aetherial being, is Ramuh reliable in his knowledge of Light and Dark? Or does it rely on what they sylphs know when they summoned him? (And in that case, what do they know?)
Ramuh is not the only primal that knows very weird information. Ifrit knows of how tempering works (and doesn't work) and knows you can't be tempered by him because of the Blessing of Light. He also says the Paragons warned him of you. And back in 1.0, he knows that other primals exist (Leviathot, Titian and Garuda) and that if you had been tempered by them, he'd know it. Titian knows that you were the one who killed Ifrit. Garuda knows that she is sustained by the aether from crystals and the faith of the Ixal and gets the other beast tribes to summon their primals so that she can feast on them. She's also another primal who knows who is protecting the WoL from being tempered.

It is worth noting that all the primals that seem to know other primals exist or know why they can't temper the WoL are all "resummoned" primals. They've been summoned before, and been sent back to the Lifestream only to be summoned again. We don't see any of this kind of talk from "new" primals who have been summoned for the first time. One the one hand, I can see primals having whatever common knowledge the people summoning them have. On the other... knowledge of who and what Hydaelyn and the Echo are aren't common knowledge at all. And there aren't many primals who seem know that they are primals (I think the only "new" primal that does is Lakshmi). But the "resummoned" primals not only know they are primals but that other beings like them exist.

I can certainly see a case being made (base on circumstantial evidence) that the primals/eikons learn something about what they are while hanging out in the Lifestream between summons, no matter what state their aether is at the time...