It's been 5 years, can we remove the job restriction on glamours?

[Renato]

For those who don't want to search through the article...
DO YOU THINK YOU’LL EVER
REMOVE RESTRICTIONS ON
GLAMOUR AND ALLOW A BLACK
MAGE TO GLAMOUR A WARRIOR
SET, AND VICE VERSA?
Yoshida
Strictly speaking, the answer
would be “No”. We have no
particular plans to unlock
specific job equipment for
other jobs and that is one of
our design policies. However,
we are working on slowly
amending some of the fixed
role equipment to be available
to all jobs and classes, so if
there are any specific items you
really want unlocked, please go
and say so on the forums!

[Alucard135]

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Pretty much what everyone's asking for. Keep job specific sets locked and unlock role ones for glamour. They should revisit the PVP ilvl 100 and 110 gear, since those were made job specific while they don't hold any resemblance to the job.

[Fynlar]

Agreed. FFXI doesn't even have this restriction on glamours. If you can wear the gear on any of your jobs, you can use it as a glamour.

The whole "but X roles won't look like X roles anymore!" argument falls flat on its face when you have everyone hopping in DF in their swimsuits regardless of role.

[Soge01]

Why not just use the glamour dresser to allow our characters to wear whatever glamour item is in there, regardless of job class other than AF gear. Problem solved!

[Rymm]

The whole "but X roles won't look like X roles anymore!" argument falls flat on its face when you have everyone hopping in DF in their swimsuits regardless of role.

You have to realize there is a difference in allowing any class/job to wear any item of the plethora of generic gear in the game and allowing any class/job wear something that was designed from the ground up to fit the specific aesthetic of a certain job. I've no problem with them unlocking any of the non-specific role gear for any other job or role, but I would be strongly against unlocking the AF gear.

Which seems to be the direction that Yoshi P is going anyway. So rather than making threads asking for something that they are apparently already in the process of doing, why not start some sort of "master thread" for the popular items you would like them to prioritize unlocking?

[ReiMakoto]

... why not start some sort of "master thread" for the popular items you would like them to prioritize unlocking?

What I think we're saying is we'd rather have just all of them unlock, instead of being fed piece meal in patches as new gear that's available to everyone. The main problem I have with the whole justifications given before is ala mhigan resistance fighters can wear ninja torso, with healing gloves and tank leggings, while using a spear. Why not allow everyone to glam like that?

[Rymm]

What I think we're saying is we'd rather have just all of them unlock, instead of being fed piece meal in patches as new gear that's available to everyone.

I'm not experienced in any sort of coding, but I imagine it would be a lot of work to go back and either re-code the thousands of items already in the game so that they can be used by any class or remake them into new items that don't have restrictions (as they did with Pagos gear.) It's not like there is some master switch somewhere that controls the restrictions that they can just flip and suddenly everyone can use everything. Neither money nor devs' time is infinite. I would much, much rather get the old items piecemeal alongside the new content they are putting out than have them do something ridiculous like pull devs off of new projects so that they are slowed or even stopped just so we can have old items "fixed."

Personally I think that it's cool that Yoshi-P is encouraging players to voice their opinions on what they want most. More communication between the devs and the playerbase is the type of thing that fosters a good gaming community.

[Fynlar]

You have to realize there is a difference in allowing any class/job to wear any item of the plethora of generic gear in the game and allowing any class/job wear something that was designed from the ground up to fit the specific aesthetic of a certain job. I've no problem with them unlocking any of the non-specific role gear for any other job or role, but I would be strongly against unlocking the AF gear.

1) FFXI has done this already. Surprisingly enough, the game didn't fall apart as a result
2) The "job aesthetic" argument already means nothing when, again, everyone is hopping in the DF in their swimsuits

Which seems to be the direction that Yoshi P is going anyway. So rather than making threads asking for something that they are apparently already in the process of doing, why not start some sort of "master thread" for the popular items you would like them to prioritize unlocking?

I'm not interested in participating in such a thread because I think *all* the gear should just be unlocked. Bonus, this would almost certainly require less dev effort than just handpicking various things to be made universal glamour, and I'm kinda all for as much dev effort as possible being put toward actual new content.

[Rymm]

1) FFXI has done this already. Surprisingly enough, the game didn't fall apart as a result

This isn't FFXI so I'm not sure why you expect them to follow design decisions from that game when the director of this game said that doing so would be against their design policy. I mean, I get it if you have a different opinion on the matter but the same could be said about any artistic decision made by the dev team. You might as well say something like "We should have more cartoony graphics because WoW does!" and it would have just as much bearing on FF14 as this.

2) The "job aesthetic" argument already means nothing when, again, everyone is hopping in the DF in their swimsuits

Well, again, there is a difference in a WHM and a DRK both wearing swimsuits who were designed as a generic item for everyone to wear and a WHM wearing a set that was specifically designed for DRK, with their unique story and aesthetic in mind.

I'm not interested in participating in such a thread because I think *all* the gear should just be unlocked. Bonus, this would almost certainly require less dev effort than just handpicking various things to be made universal glamour, and I'm kinda all for as much dev effort as possible being put toward actual new content.

I'm most certainly of all (non-AF) gear being unlocked as well. I really don't understand your logic in claiming that it would be easier to change the thousands and thousands of items already in the game at the same time than doing a few items at a time. I'm also curious as to what you think the devs' reasoning would be for it to a handful at a time if it was really so easy to do all at once. Yoshi-P already said it's something they're working on, so if it was easy for them, then why not do it in one go?

[Fynlar]

This isn't FFXI so I'm not sure why you expect them to follow design decisions from that game when the director of this game said that doing so would be against their design policy.

It's because the whole reason FFXI even had a glamour system instituted is because this game has one. And that game improved upon it by allowing us to actually use any of the gear we had available to wear. What's this game's excuse for remaining in the dark ages? If it's the "immersion" argument, that's already long gone with the swimsuits.

I'm tired of the "this isn't FFXI" rebuttals. The games draw inspiration from each other whether you want to admit to it or not.

Well, again, there is a difference in a WHM and a DRK both wearing swimsuits who were designed as a generic item for everyone to wear and a WHM wearing a set that was specifically designed for DRK, with their unique story and aesthetic in mind.

No, there really isn't. The "unique story and aesthetic" is broken either way.

I'm most certainly of all (non-AF) gear being unlocked as well. I really don't understand your logic in claiming that it would be easier to change the thousands and thousands of items already in the game at the same time than doing a few items at a time.

You must not have much of a developer background, then.

It's far easier to institute one single new system and apply it to everything (they likely wouldn't even have to do much other than remove a single game restriction; it's the same restriction that results in an error message popping up when you try to wear tank armor that has PLD AF glamoured onto it on your warrior) than it is to go through multiple batches of equipment and edit them one by one to be glamourable.

I'm also curious as to what you think the devs' reasoning would be for it to a handful at a time if it was really so easy to do all at once.

They've already said why, it's because they don't WANT to make stuff like AF armor universally glamourable due to the "immersion" aspect, so therefore they "can't" just go and change the entire system to make it all universal.

I'm just saying I disagree with that sentiment because the immersion has already gone to shite anyway.