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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottkins View Post
    Newbie here. Well, mostly. Been subbed for a month and a half now.
    Seeing the cutscenes for the first time all I wanted was to press the skip button.
    You don't care cutscenes so everyone doesn't need to see them...

    Following your logic, I don't savage raid so all savage raids must be removed from the game, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    You don't care cutscenes so everyone doesn't need to see them...

    Following your logic, I don't savage raid so all savage raids must be removed from the game, right?
    Think you just built a strawman there.
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  3. #153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephera View Post
    Think you just built a strawman there.
    Think not. If the skip option returns, attached to it there is the harassment of who doesn't skip, and final result is them always skipped or get kicked.

    Deal with it. You cannot skip, the rewards are the ones you see in duty info, your choice if queue or not.
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  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    Think not. If the skip option returns, attached to it there is the harassment of who doesn't skip, and final result is them always skipped or get kicked.

    Deal with it. You cannot skip, the rewards are the ones you see in duty info, your choice if queue or not.
    Yeah, you did build a strawman actually. No one suggested removing Savage raids.

    Anyway, if harassment was truly that big of a deal, then the GM's should be more than equipped to handle it. Also, yeah I won't queue for it, the time to reward ratio is terrible.

    On another note, is "Deal with it" the hot quote these days? Seems like everyone is using it on these forums.
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  5. #155
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephera View Post
    Anyway, if harassment was truly that big of a deal, then the GM's should be more than equipped to handle it
    It was so much a big deal that the devs gone to the extent to change the game, change the involved duties and make all the cutscenes there unskippable, for the sake of all new players that were kicked out or harassed for looking at them. What other proof do you need? Mr. Yoshida knocking at your door to explain you why they done that and why they will NOT change back this policy?

    As long as you like common forms, asking main scenario cutscenes skippable again is just beating a dead horse.
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  6. #156
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    You don't care cutscenes so everyone doesn't need to see them...

    Following your logic, I don't savage raid so all savage raids must be removed from the game, right?

    The guy never said that everyone else should have to skip the cs too, so no, you're not quite following his logic.
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  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    It was so much a big deal that the devs gone to the extent to change the game, change the involved duties and make all the cutscenes there unskippable, for the sake of all new players that were kicked out or harassed for looking at them. What other proof do you need? Mr. Yoshida knocking at your door to explain you why they done that and why they will NOT change back this policy?

    As long as you like common forms, asking main scenario cutscenes skippable again is just beating a dead horse.
    You should cool it with your attitude. Harassment isn't an issue the devs should have to fix, making the cutscenes unskippable to stop harassment was completely unnecessary considering GMs often take issues of harassment pretty seriously.

    As to your dead horse comment, people will complain about things they don't like, you should stop being so offended by that.
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    You don't care cutscenes so everyone doesn't need to see them...

    Following your logic, I don't savage raid so all savage raids must be removed from the game, right?
    Following it back, just because I savage raid means everyone should have to, and lock msq behind high level raid content.
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  9. #159
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    It was so much a big deal that the devs gone to the extent to change the game, change the involved duties and make all the cutscenes there unskippable, for the sake of all new players that were kicked out or harassed for looking at them. What other proof do you need? Mr. Yoshida knocking at your door to explain you why they done that and why they will NOT change back this policy?

    As long as you like common forms, asking main scenario cutscenes skippable again is just beating a dead horse.
    It wasn't harassment but people simply refusing to wait regardless. By Stormblood even DPS could handle the packs and live through them. Most groups simply told new players to enjoy the cut scenes while they murdered stuff. Did you see some jerks? Of course. What prompted the change is new players wanting to partake in the actual fights and watch cut scenes, which just wasn't going to happen. Now a better solution would be to make it so if you unsync either Castrum or Prae, you can skip cut scenes, thereby letting people who couldn't care less about the story to move on. Regardless, people have dealt with it. I've heard queue times have steadily increased for MSQ since no one wants to do it.

    And your initial reply was, indeed, a strawman. It had absolutely nothing to do with the argument.
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  10. #160
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    This has been new to me since I just came back, and I hate it. Literally unbearable. I just tab out of game, or do other things, DURING the mission. Can't you just watch them later in your innroom?
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