Late to the BLU Party

[Musashidon]

We're going in circles here. You concede a higher level cap, why not take the extra half step to include it in the rest of the current content which would drop the limited aspect of it.

The crux is that you're still being excluded and will eventually have to make that choice of "Do I play BLU or do I play with my friends?"

but why does that choice specifically matter? we know we will get a higher level cap just how high how fast is unknown.

the crux is its my way or the high way.

has anyone here even suggested blu should never be allowed at level cap? the point of not doing the extra step is so that the end game isn't ran sacked by blue mages and everyone still gets to do most content as a blue.

if less than 10% of content is locked from blu it gives you much much less to have to choose to stop playing blu


limited doesn't have to be oh it will always be 2 expansions behind and dead content and a waste of resources, by giving you most content you much more to do and can spend more time on blu enjoying what you love without destroying the structure of end game and without needing to deal balance or change an idea that is not actually hated itself just disliked by raiders who only care for primals and raids.

[Zareshi]

but why does that choice specifically matter? we know we will get a higher level cap just how high how fast is unknown.

the crux is its my way or the high way.

has anyone here even suggested blu should never be allowed at level cap? the point of not doing the extra step is so that the end game isn't ran sacked by blue mages and everyone still gets to do most content as a blue.

if less than 10% of content is locked from blu it gives you much much less to have to choose to stop playing blu


limited doesn't have to be oh it will always be 2 expansions behind and dead content and a waste of resources, by giving you most content you much more to do and can spend more time on blu enjoying what you love without destroying the structure of end game and without needing to deal balance or change an idea that is not actually hated itself just disliked by raiders who only care for primals and raids.

Well let's spin this a little bit. Say they came out with x job, a job you've been wanting for years and years, ever since 2.0. Only to be told you're finally getting it, but its stuck under leveled (or for our circular argument, at level), and excluded from the current challenging content. You can't even do daily things, and if you want to do those things, you have to put your brand new favorite job on the shelf and say "oh well"? You'd be happy with that?

The idea of rejecting including BLU in content because it would "destroy the structure of end game", or citing that it needs to be balance is a weak argument. If you're going to pull that, they may as well never add another job again, since every job added requires balancing and potentially destroys the structure of end game.

[Inoch]

but why does that choice specifically matter? we know we will get a higher level cap just how high how fast is unknown.

Of course it matter, given the info we've been given now Yoshida hints we will not be Lv70 by Shb release next summer meaning we can't even do the MSQ on BLU.

has anyone here even suggested blu should never be allowed at level cap? if less than 10% of content is locked from blu it gives you much much less to have to choose to stop playing blu

Lowkey hinted by Yoshida, cause BLU Is "OP" apparently.
10%? You mean we can do 10% of what the game offers.

[Musashidon]

You'd be happy with that?

is the job fun? look there is plenty of content in the game for me to not worry about if i can get tomes in a dungeon or do ex primals with a specific job.

i have what 15 other jobs to pick from going to be 17 soon? if i am so mad over 1 even if its my favorite seems more like i should take a step back and review the situation as a whole.

not only that this doesnt include am i choosing between my favorite job getting the ol FF14 bat and being some random job with a few iconic skills but pretty much being something else or will it still be my favorite job?

Of course it matter, given the info we've been given now Yoshida hints we will not be Lv70 by Shb release next summer meaning we can't even do the MSQ on BLU.


Lowkey hinted by Yoshida, cause BLU Is "OP" apparently.
10%? You mean we can do 10% of what the game offers.

no need to be this way we want to keep this a discussion.

yes that was also one of my things do we know if blue mage can even do the lvl 1-50 quests since in 5.0 we get new game plus can it do the low lvl quests or is it locked out? i can see it locked out of higher lvl ones like say 70-80 (if it get its all speculation) since it would be different compare to the other jobs the msq is balanced around.

You're cutting my quote off and not addressing my full question.

no i fully answered your question.

oh sorry is this one of those very specific questions where the only answer you wanted was yes i would be happy or no i would not where we aren't here to discuss things just here to try to pigeon hole things so that there is nothing to discuss or think about?

[Zareshi]

is the job fun? look there is plenty of content in the game for me to not worry about if i can get tomes in a dungeon or do ex primals with a specific job.

You're cutting my quote off and not addressing my full question.

Say they came out with x job, a job you've been wanting for years and years, ever since 2.0. Only to be told you're finally getting it, but its stuck under leveled (or for our circular argument, at level), and excluded from the current challenging content. You can't even do daily things, and if you want to do those things, you have to put your brand new favorite job on the shelf and say "oh well"? You'd be happy with that?

[Zareshi]

is the job fun? look there is plenty of content in the game for me to not worry about if i can get tomes in a dungeon or do ex primals with a specific job.

i have what 15 other jobs to pick from going to be 17 soon? if i am so mad over 1 even if its my favorite seems more like i should take a step back and review the situation as a whole.

not only that this doesnt include am i choosing between my favorite job getting the ol FF14 bat and being some random job with a few iconic skills but pretty much being something else or will it still be my favorite job?



no need to be this way we want to keep this a discussion.

yes that was also one of my things do we know if blue mage can even do the lvl 1-50 quests since in 5.0 we get new game plus can it do the low lvl quests or is it locked out? i can see it locked out of higher lvl ones like say 70-80 (if it get its all speculation) since it would be different compare to the other jobs the msq is balanced around.




no i fully answered your question.

For the record, editing your previous response instead of, y'know, actually responding, is extremely obnoxious.

As for your answer, I never said mad, I asked if you'd be happy. If you'd truly be alright shelving it just because you have 17 other jobs to choose from. The answer for many is that no, they are not, and that's part of why BLU is such a debated topic right now. As for your favorite job getting the FF14 bat or "still your favorite job", XIV is it's own beast and jobs change between individual Final Fantasy titles as it is. The team usually does a good job of leaving the feeling and fantasy of that job while allowing it to fit into the game, with summoner being the biggest odd one out given egis and dots instead of massive one time nukes.

We also don't know enough about New Game+, I was under the impression it was simply to revisit previous story segments are your current power. Not a way to regain that same experience from completing those quests again and again and again.

[Musashidon]

For the record, editing your previous response instead of, y'know, actually responding, is extremely obnoxious.

As for your answer, I never said mad, I asked if you'd be happy. If you'd truly be alright shelving it just because you have 17 other jobs to choose from. The answer for many is that no, they are not, and that's part of why BLU is such a debated topic right now. As for your favorite job getting the FF14 bat or "still your favorite job", XIV is it's own beast and jobs change between individual Final Fantasy titles as it is. The team usually does a good job of leaving the feeling and fantasy of that job while allowing it to fit into the game, with summoner being the biggest odd one out given egis and dots instead of massive one time nukes.

We also don't know enough about New Game+, I was under the impression it was simply to revisit previous story segments are your current power. Not a way to regain that same experience from completing those quests again and again and again.

i am just trying to save posts man you only get so many.

i will have to disagree the reason blu is such a topic is due to its low lvl cap not all that many players actually raid or do primals yes lots of players do those things but statistically most don't so being able to do everything but those would be fine and the whole can't do roulettes for tomes would affect most players but again thats only 1 specific thing compared to as many as it is now.

the duties will be sync'd still (unless they said other wise) it would just be able to do the open world content/always be maxed sync'd in them new game plus i mean its just a way to reset your story progress for players who want to. they talked about a feature like this awhile back during the heavensward expansion

Be what way? So you're saying you don't like how Yoshida hinted at the fanfest and I state it? I thought this was a discussion.....?

NGP is not really new content for the majority of players. Are you telling me that if they allow BLU to do 2.0-4.5 MSQ that is what I should be doing until they raise the cap and/or allow more content for BLU's?

don't like what yoshi p hinted? speculation is speculation and is always worth discussing but that isn't your intent.

ngp is something to do for players who would find that enjoyable (especially good ol 2.0-2.55) what i am telling you is i wonder if it even can participate in MSQ or not at all as we don't even know if it can since we already did it all.

[Inoch]

no need to be this way we want to keep this a discussion.

yes that was also one of my things do we know if blue mage can even do the lvl 1-50 quests since in 5.0 we get new game plus can it do the low lvl quests or is it locked out? i can see it locked out of higher lvl ones like say 70-80 (if it get its all speculation) since it would be different compare to the other jobs the msq is balanced around.

Be what way? So you're saying you don't like how Yoshida hinted at the fanfest and I state it? I thought this was a discussion.....?

NGP is not really new content for the majority of players. Are you telling me that if they allow BLU to do 2.0-4.5 MSQ that is what I should be doing until they raise the cap and/or allow more content for BLU's?

[Zareshi]

i am just trying to save posts man you only get so many.

i will have to disagree the reason blu is such a topic is due to its low lvl cap not all that many players actually raid or do primals yes lots of players do those things but statistically most don't so being able to do everything but those would be fine and the whole can't do roulettes for tomes would affect most players but again thats only 1 specific thing compared to as many as it is now.

the duties will be sync'd still (unless they said other wise) it would just be able to do the open world content/always be maxed sync'd in them new game plus i mean its just a way to reset your story progress for players who want to. they talked about a feature like this awhile back during the heavensward expansion

Man there's a post limit? What a world. I understand why now at least lol.

The issue isn't the level cap, it's the limits on the job as a whole. With the lower cap and restrictions on what duties you can do. As you've said there's much more to the game than just raiding (savage) and primals. It is such a highly anticipated job being shoehorned into generally weak content (open world. Currently ARR maps/hunts as we discussed before) with vague promises that it will gain a higher cap over future patches, and stuck there under the guise that the job was too hard or even impossible to balance. There are many examples across this forum and others that blatantly show how weak an argument that can be.

You can't do roulettes for tomes, or to help friends with leveling, or to spice up your own content. It goes back to what I've said across a few posts now, that you eventually have to choose between a job you love, or your friends. There's been acceptable reason given to why BLU has to be limited beyond the supposed balancing issue or demand for specific abilities. Both of which I addressed with viable alternatives in the op.

None of this will change how BLU will be delivered to us, and I'm still going to give it a fair shot, but this still feels wrong to me. I want to see BLU and whatever other jobs they are thinking about applying "limited" to be what they can be, not be locked away because it was "too hard" for them to make it work.

[Musashidon]

Man there's a post limit? What a world. I understand why now at least lol.

yup its a daily limit i forgot if it resets at certain times or if it was 24 hours since the post xD also it was only recently that we got a change from 1k characters total to 3k (without using edit)

The issue isn't the level cap, it's the limits on the job as a whole. With the lower cap and restrictions on what duties you can do. As you've said there's much more to the game than just raiding (savage) and primals. It is such a highly anticipated job being shoehorned into generally weak content (open world. Currently ARR maps/hunts as we discussed before) with vague promises that it will gain a higher cap over future patches, and stuck there under the guise that the job was too hard or even impossible to balance. There are many examples across this forum and others that blatantly show how weak an argument that can be.

You can't do roulettes for tomes, or to help friends with leveling, or to spice up your own content. It goes back to what I've said across a few posts now, that you eventually have to choose between a job you love, or your friends. There's been acceptable reason given to why BLU has to be limited beyond the supposed balancing issue or demand for specific abilities. Both of which I addressed with viable alternatives in the op.

None of this will change how BLU will be delivered to us, and I'm still going to give it a fair shot, but this still feels wrong to me. I want to see BLU and whatever other jobs they are thinking about applying "limited" to be what they can be, not be locked away because it was "too hard" for them to make it work.

well technically it does change how blu is delivered before SB we heard and saw lilies and freaked out and they got changed (sure not completely) but they were going to be much different before. now will it stop it from being a limited job for now? no but it could change the pace we get lvls or even what it can enter like if they see a high demand for POTD/HOH

balance may sound like a weak excuse to you but that doesn't make it so as everytime someone says oh you can just do this or that! they then completely change the intent of lack of balance missing the point or not caring entirely.