Late to the BLU Party

[Musashidon]

I don't want to see more limited jobs, because it gives the dev team an out to be lazy with creating new jobs.

i don't get this argument as this is the more creative idea and not the less.

they aren't being lazy about creating new jobs and this doesn't mean the one you want will be a limited job, yoshi p years ago stated this is how he wanted this one specifically implemented.

how is making the job able to actually use monster skills vs making skills after monster skills where like bad breath would make the target take 20% more damage for 30 seconds on a cool down of 160 seconds less creative? and not only that why is creativity the main factor? summoner supposedly isnt creative nor dark knight so why is this now the one that breaks the horses back?

I shouldn't have to make the choice to play with or without my friends in a MMO.

who made you make this choice? like seriously? this is super exagerated i am not saying there isn't any degree of truth to this as it does make people who wanted to raid end game with blu not be able to but how does it like flop to a full blown i can't play at all with my friends if i play blu, the whole idea is for you to play with your friends and learn the skills together either with a whole party of blu or some people as blu and some on other jobs to help the run go smooth.

[Zareshi]

i don't get this argument as this is the more creative idea and not the less.

they aren't being lazy about creating new jobs and this doesn't mean the one you want will be a limited job, yoshi p years ago stated this is how he wanted this one specifically implemented.

how is making the job able to actually use monster skills vs making skills after monster skills where like bad breath would make the target take 20% more damage for 30 seconds on a cool down of 160 seconds less creative? and not only that why is creativity the main factor? summoner supposedly isnt creative nor dark knight so why is this now the one that breaks the horses back?



who made you make this choice? like seriously? this is super exagerated i am not saying there isn't any degree of truth to this as it does make people who wanted to raid end game with blu not be able to but how does it like flop to a full blown i can't play at all with my friends if i play blu, the whole idea is for you to play with your friends and learn the skills together either with a whole party of blu or some people as blu and some on other jobs to help the run go smooth.

I feel it's less creative because you can take your base job concept and leave it at that. You don't have to expend any effort to balance or bring it in line with other jobs. BLU's concept is unique and creative enough by learning your abilities from monsters. Can you link me where he said that was how he specifically wanted BLU implemented? I can only recall him saying BLU would be very difficult to do.

Creativity isn't the main factor, but I'd rather wait and receive a job I can enjoy with friends in any content, old or new. Personally I find they got creative with summoner, considering it isn't like any other summoner class in the series, Dark Knight too. DRK didn't really change beyond a shift in what the job has traditionally done, but why is it BLU is where they've suddenly decided "no, we must adhere to what the job traditionally is" ?

As for the decision to play with my friends or not, once I've dragged them into old content to help learn abilities, and they want to go do something else. Something in Heavensward or Stormblood, or Shadowbringers with that on the horizon. Dungeons, maps, HoH, hunts, trials, raids, alliance raids, PvP, I have to make the choice. Do I stay on blue mage, or do I play with my friends? Why am I being forced to make that decision when it could have been built to be included from the start?

[Musashidon]

Can you link me where he said that was how he specifically wanted BLU implemented? I can only recall him saying BLU would be very difficult to do.

i will say it's not quite i want it this way, but he was concerned with how it was to be implemented at all. course i guess that can be said with all jobs.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/191993

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Q: I love the blue mage job that appears in the FINAL FANTASY series. Will the blue mage job ever be implemented in FFXIV?
A: I think that blue mage is an interesting job because you can learn spells from enemies, but honestly I don't think that it really fits MMORPG party settings. If anything, I think it would work solo and it would be really fun to implement it as a job where you go around and learn abilities from every monster, so I'd definitely like to try and do this, but I'm concerned when it comes to playing in a party players would put up barriers if you haven't learned certain abilities. Additionally, in the event you are able to use abilities forever once you learn them, the difficulty of learning abilities would be high, and we wouldn't be able to balance the system so it wouldn't revolve around procuring your abilities instead of equipment. This wouldn't be practical enough to fit in an MMORPG party setting and conversely if you are swapping in only certain abilities you've learned, the true image of a blue mage would diminish, so this is something that I am concerned with.

Something in Heavensward or Stormblood, or Shadowbringers with that on the horizon. Dungeons, maps, HoH, hunts, trials, raids, alliance raids, PvP, I have to make the choice. Do I stay on blue mage, or do I play with my friends? Why am I being forced to make that decision when it could have been built to be included from the start?

hunts you will always be able to do and even maps (now the portals for the rng part i would say no to at first till you get lvl 60/70 however long that is any speculation aside) (also i do get that being lvl 50 in a 60/70 area means you are weak and pretty useless even with op skills)

but i will say why is learning all your skills more important or just playing on blu more important than just going out and doing the content on another job? is it pride? stubborness? i agree with your point as blu could have started with a lvl 70 cap and just been unable to enter ex primals ultimate content and raids til shadowbringers to at least let you do everything you wanted also not letting blu into HOH or POTD seems odd as it would be blu true play ground.

with a higher lvl starting cap you could have at least had more content to enter and do with your friends and less welp i am out of luck have to change jobs.

[Zareshi]

This is the stickler for me. If BLU turns out to be a super fun and engaging new type of content for this game, that is supported for years to come, then that'll be fantastic. Depending on how good it is, the sting of it not being a standard job could even fade, in time. But I have little to no faith that this development team is capable of creating (let alone supporting) a new type of content that is both interesting and rewarding to play.

I don't have full confidence the devs can pull off the content for the solo job like they're aiming for, but I'm willing to give them a shot which is why I will still play the job when it releases. Maybe this will be the time we're wrong and they pull it off?

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Thank you for that, even though there's precedent with XI's BLU in upgrading both abilities and equipment. Going to a standard set of learned abilities is an inevitability, as much as I admire their desire for it to not be.

ARR Hunts which have diminishing returns, and with how fast they are annihilated it may be better to be in a higher level job that can better gain credit.
ARR maps have few if any items that are worth while, though can still be a fun diversion short term.

but i will say why is learning all your skills more important or just playing on blu more important than just going out and doing the content on another job? is it pride? stubborness?

Why is learning all your skills (on a job that currently revolves around learning skills as its main mechanic) important? It kind of speaks for itself. As for why play BLU when you could do content on other jobs is the crux of the argument here. Being locked away from other content means that you have to choose between playing BLU, for many a job that they have been dreaming of since 2.0, or running relevant meaningful content with or without friends. It's the choice of playing your dream job or playing with friends.

With the higher level cap, while allowing access to more activities, it's a half-step away from being a fully fledged job at that point and this "limited job" idea falls flat.

[Beckett]

I don't have full confidence the devs can pull off the content for the solo job like they're aiming for, but I'm willing to give them a shot which is why I will still play the job when it releases. Maybe this will be the time we're wrong and they pull it off?

The one bit of hope I'm holding onto is that maybe, because this is still a Job (even if a "limited" one), they'll feel pressured to make it good. So even if it launches as terribly unfun, they may actually put the effort into fixing and supporting it that they wouldn't for other side content like chocobo companions or Diadem.

[Musashidon]

With the higher level cap, while allowing access to more activities, it's a half-step away from being a fully fledged job at that point and this "limited job" idea falls flat.

falls flat? limited is just a term.

keeping it out of said meaningful content leaves said content meaningful, and not just a blu fest.


this 100% or nothing mindset is as flawed as the blu is perfect and you should except it one.

[Zareshi]

falls flat? limited is just a term.

keeping it out of said meaningful content leaves said content meaningful, and not just a blu fest.


this 100% or nothing mindset is as flawed as the blu is perfect and you should except it one.

I don't quite understand what you're getting at. Limited is a term used for a job that is limited in the ways it can be played. Be it exclusion from content, a level cap, or ability to access game features.

In running with your comment before this, where you even agreed:

i agree with your point as blu could have started with a lvl 70 cap and just been unable to enter ex primals ultimate content and raids til shadowbringers to at least let you do everything you wanted also not letting blu into HOH or POTD seems odd as it would be blu true play ground.

with a higher lvl starting cap you could have at least had more content to enter and do with your friends and less welp i am out of luck have to change jobs.

If the job has access to the current level cap, and the current content, the job is no longer a "limited" job, and thus the idea falls flat.

[Musashidon]

If the job has access to the current level cap, and the current content, the job is no longer a "limited" job, and thus the idea falls flat.

why wouldn't it be limited? you are saying limited means lvl not content. if it was allowed to be lvl 70 it could do hunts and maps (which doesn't give you the best gear or break the ex primals life span and mount farming) it would still be limited. it would not be allowed to premake raids ex trials or the ultimates.

SE can easily make it so blu can't enter something even premade like a OOPS someone is a blu and so you can't enter. then remove it later when say the next expansion drops.

i mean will blu be able to do main story quests? or will they always be locked so you have to do them on another job always?