Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

[jon041065]

Breaking news everyone: apparently, solo-oriented content in FFXIV is a "new market" and doesn't appeal the players who "supported the game"... even if it's what FFXIV has been doing since its release as a theme park MMORPG, providing content to a lot of different players.
And also, we are not getting "content for BOTH sides"... even if we actually do with new "real" jobs, raids, dungeons, and all the usual stuff.

I said "supported the game as it was" as in the people that weren't complaining about the content of the game. They are trying to appeal to a different part of their player base, some of the people who have quit, and some that have yet to try the game by putting in a different form of content. There's nothing wrong with that but it's repeating the same mistake of ignoring part of the player base when they should be trying to please both. The new jobs don't matter to those of us that wanted to main blu and have that job be the tool for how we interact with the full game. So despite all that new stuff coming, it's still a disappointment.

[Fyce]

I said "supported the game as it was" as in the people that weren't complaining about the content of the game. They are trying to appeal to a different part of their player base, some of the people who have quit, and some that have yet to try the game by putting in a different form of content. There's nothing wrong with that but it's repeating the same mistake of ignoring part of the player base when they should be trying to please both. The new jobs don't matter to those of us that wanted to main blu and have that job be the tool for how we interact with the full game. So despite all that new stuff coming, it's still a disappointment.

Here's the thing though, they can't please everyone. No matter how many wannabe smart people are saying that SE is lazy, or "they could have done X, Y, Z!". You will ALWAYS have people complaining.
And if you think that they are not trying to please as much people as possible, then you are delusional, because they obviously do.

It's a theme park MMORPG. Different content is made to appeal to a different type of players all the time. And this time, BLU wasn't made to please your type. That's it. Just deal with it. You're free to ask for more, but don't become entitled, because nobody is. "BLU mains" are no exception.

[Burningskull]

Here's the thing though, they can't please everyone. No matter how many wannabe smart people are saying that SE is lazy, or "they could have done X, Y, Z!". You will ALWAYS have people complaining.
And if you think that they are not trying to please as much people as possible, then you are delusional, because they obviously do.

It's a theme park MMORPG. Different content is made to appeal to a different type of players all the time. And this time, BLU wasn't made to please your type. That's it. Just deal with it. You're free to ask for more, but don't become entitled, because nobody is. "BLU mains" are no exception.

BLU is a JOB. A Battle Class Job. No battle class job should be relegated to side content when the 80-90% of the game is about battle related content. If BLU was some form of crafter or gatherer no one would blink an eye at this being side content. What about summoner? It's NOTHING like what a summoner use to be. Should it be reworked and made into a limited job? Look at how they did RDM. It was great they way they worked it in. I never would have thought RDM would have a balancing act between White and Black Mana to empower melee attacks. They could have found some way to incorporate learning skills from mobs, and giving it a mechanic to keep the job interesting, while making it a real job.

[Fyce]

BLU is a JOB. A Battle Class Job.

No. BLU is a Limited Job. There's a reason they didn't simply call it a "Job". Words have meanings.

No battle class job should be relegated to side content when the 80-90% of the game is about battle related content.

A Job and a Limited Job don't do the same things. And there's no rule saying that SE cannot create Limited Jobs. Besides, you have absolutly no authority in saying what a playable class can or cannot do.

If BLU was some form of crafter or gatherer no one would blink an eye at this being side content.

Wrong. Some people would complain. There are ALWAYS some people complaining.

What about summoner? It's NOTHING like what a summoner use to be. Should it be reworked and made into a limited job?

Nobody is talking about a rework. BLU isn't a rework. But yes, some people do think that SMN may have been a good contenter to be a Limited Job, if it wasn't already in the game as it is.

Look at how they did RDM. It was great they way they worked it in. I never would have thought RDM would have a balancing act between White and Black Mana to empower melee attacks.

Yes, RDM does plays well. But it has objectively lost a lot of its iconic identity and toolkit in order to fit the mold. FFXIV's Red Mage is it's own thing. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't mean that BLU -or any other FF Class/Job- has to follow the same pattern.

They could have found some way to incorporate learning skills from mobs, and giving it a mechanic to keep the job interesting, while making it a real job.

Could they? Probably. Did they want to? Obviously not. Possible doesn't mean desirable. And if you don't respect their creative freedom and their right to do whatever the heck they want to do with their game and their franchise, then you might as well quit right now. You are not entitled to anything, you do not work for them, and you have no authority to tell them what they can do or not.

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Edit: I didn't want to start a quote war, mind you, but almost everything you said in your post was either false or inaccurate. I had little choice but to pick every argument individually.

[jon041065]

Here's the thing though, they can't please everyone. No matter how many wannabe smart people are saying that SE is lazy, or "they could have done X, Y, Z!". You will ALWAYS have people complaining.
And if you think that they are not trying to please as much people as possible, then you are delusional, because they obviously do.

It's a theme park MMORPG. Different content is made to appeal to a different type of players all the time. And this time, BLU wasn't made to please your type. That's it. Just deal with it. You're free to ask for more, but don't become entitled, because nobody is. "BLU mains" are no exception.

Never said they could please everyone. This feels like instead of taking the time to please A LOT more people overall, that they decided that they would boost the chance of the "open world and side content meant to boost sub retention before 5.0" working by shoehorning blue mage into it. FFXIV since ARR has been designed a certain way with a few tweaks for better or worse here and there but retained the same base idea. This iteration of blue mage is totally different compared to the past jobs in good and in bad ways. My side just wishes they would compromise so that the bad parts were removed or reduced greatly and we are willing to wait for this. That we hope SE realizes that altering a big part of their traditional content is not a good thing BUT that they do see that people are excited for the open world and Carnival side content so that a better game can be made. Sacrificing how jobs have worked in the game for five years is not the way to get there. Adding content to let us do MORE, not less, is the right way.

[Fyce]

Never said they could please everyone. This feels like instead of taking the time to please A LOT more people overall, that they decided that they would boost the chance of the "open world and side content meant to boost sub retention before 5.0" working by shoehorning blue mage into it. FFXIV since ARR has been designed a certain way as has the Diablo franchise with a few tweaks for better or worse here and there but retained the same base idea. This iteration of blue mage is totally different compared to the past jobs in good and in bad ways same as diablo mobile. My side just wishes they would compromise so that the bad parts were removed or reduced greatly and we are willing to wait for this.

Of course everyone would wish for the best of two worlds. But the issue is that some people don't understand that's not always possible. For a bazillion of different reasons.

... And please stop comparing Blue Mage to Diablo Immortal. That's ridiculous. SE is not trying to get to a brand new market by pissing off their entire established community. They are simply filling their theme park MMORPG with yet again another different kind of content. The fact that a good part of the community welcomes BLU as it is completly contradict this comparison. Lots of people already like solo content in FFXIV.

[jon041065]

I said the only real difference between comparing the two is in the scale of how many hate the idea.

They are similar in that they are not making the "product" for those that have liked the previous offerings for the most part and instead for people that haven't. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it is when it's done this way and with something as requested as blue mage.

There are many reasons but they weren't the ones they gave during the live letter for why blue mage has to be restricted like this.

[Fyce]

I said the only real difference between comparing the two is in the scale of how many hate the idea.


They are similar in that they are not making the "product" for those that have liked the previous offerings for the most part and instead for people that haven't. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it is when it's done this way and with something as requested as blue mage.

There are many reasons but they weren't the ones they gave during the live letter for why blue mage has to be restricted like this.

BLU was pretty much requested only because it's a weirdo. Nobody would say that they like BLU because "it's like any other job". It's the very specific gameplay and identity that people like the most. And SE specifically said that weirdos like this wouldn't fit the mold. It's easy to understand why (well, I guess not for some people).

And no, "the scale of how many hate the idea" is definitly not the only difference between Diablo Immortal and Blue Mage. But I already said why and what was different, so I won't repeat myself yet again. Continue thinking that if you want, but I strongly disagree with this argument and opinion. It has no value to me aside from trying to bank on a recent meme.

Edit: And since I don't see this conversation going anywhere -like pretty much everything said in every recent BLU thread-, I'll stop there.

[jon041065]

BLU was pretty much only requested because it's a weirdo. And SE specifically said that weirdos like this wouldn't fit the mold. It's easy to understand why.

And no, "the scale of how many hate the idea" is definitly not the only difference between the two. But I already said why and what was different, so I won't repeat myself yet again. Continue thinking that if you want, but I strongly disagree with this argument and opinion. It has no value to me aside from trying to bank on a recent meme.

Barely saw people requesting blue mage because of it being "a weirdo" and wanting it to be in the game as one. You do what you said as well then "continue thinking that if you want". Most requests were for a XIV job that uses enemy abilities and I didn't see any that were asking for this AND it have restrictions on what it was allowed to do in game.

I said that to us on my side, it is pretty dam similar. Have I used any of the DI memes when debating this?