The "We'll Look Into" Glamour Question

[Burningskull]

I could be wrong so sorry if I am but I believe what the guy was trying to ask and the Devs didn't understand was:

Would it be possible to have our SAM and MNK wear the same piece of gear but look different, WITHOUT having to go into the glamour plates each time you change jobs.

It really does suck to have Tanks, Healers, and the different DPSs to all look the same as one another.

[Iscah]

If that's the question, then the answer is already in the game: you can link your glamour plates to gearsets, and they will automatically be applied when you equip the gear.

1. Open Character --> Gear Set menu
2. Right-click / press Square on the set
3. "Link to Glamour Plate"
4. Choose glamour plate.

It will still only work in places where glamour plates can be applied, though.


If you mean something more like having two glamour slots on each piece of gear, I think that's a lot less likely. That's the sort of system-rebuilding changes the plate system has been built to work around.

[Burningskull]

If you could glamour a job's "gear slot" instead of the gear itself I don't think that would be a problem. I don't know how hard it would be to change that tho.

[InkstainedGwyn]

If you could glamour a job's "gear slot" instead of the gear itself I don't think that would be a problem. I don't know how hard it would be to change that tho.

You can, that's what Iscah described above. The only problem is that it still requires two of your very limited number of glamour plates. I already can't glam half the crafting classes I want to glam... it sucks.

[Kurando]

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One of the problems with this though is the constant spam of text that shows up in chat saying "X takes on the appearance of Y". If they remove this or give Glamour text it's own filter that would go a long way, along with giving us more Glamour Plates in total. By having more plates and being able to link them without the spam could allow players to have more customisation options akin to what OP is suggesting.

[Burningskull]

When I say gear slot I mean the slot that the piece of gear goes in... like the Head slot or the Body slot.

[Fawkes]

They would have to remake the entire glamour system for that, currently the glamour is saved in the item's data.

[Bonbori]

If that's the question, then the answer is already in the game: you can link your glamour plates to gearsets, and they will automatically be applied when you equip the gear.

1. Open Character --> Gear Set menu
2. Right-click / press Square on the set
3. "Link to Glamour Plate"
4. Choose glamour plate.

It will still only work in places where glamour plates can be applied, though.


If you mean something more like having two glamour slots on each piece of gear, I think that's a lot less likely. That's the sort of system-rebuilding changes the plate system has been built to work around.

There's one big problem with it that everyone who keeps bringing up this argument ignores, and I think that's why the guy who asked the question gave an exasperated "kinda" when his question was misunderstood for probably the 999th time.

Glamour plates can only be applied in cities. That would be great if that was the only place you could change jobs, but it's not, we can do it nearly anywhere. Except plates cannot be applied anywhere, so linking a plate to a gearset does diddly poo if you're, say in Mor Dhona, or The Ruby Sea, or Eureka, or any other of the vast majority of locations in the game where glamour plates don't function.

So imagine that you have the Scaevan Coat of Casting equipped that is your BIS chest piece for both SMN and RDM. You have 2 job-specific glamour plates but each uses a job-exclusive AF glamour for the chest slot: Duelist's Tabard for RDM and Channeler's Vest for SMN. You can link those plates to their respective gearsets, and as long as you're in a city, everything is fine, the ugly robe glamours into your pretty AF appearance seamlessly.
However, you decide to go into Eureka, because maybe you're feeling masochistic that day or something. In Kugane, before entering, you put on your SMN gearset (Scaevan Coat of Casting with Channeler's Vest glamoured onto it). Once inside, you look for a party, you find one, you look at the party makeup and notice there aren't any RDMs in it (let's also assume this is an upside-down alternative universe). So you, being a team-player and an altruist, volunteer to switch to RDM. So you do...

...and you end up with a massive chatlog spam full of red "can't use glamour plates in this location", look at your character and see her wearing... the ugliest abomination of a half-glamoured outfit! The centerpiece of which is of course an unglamoured Scaevan Coat of Casting. Which technically still has Channeler's Vest glamour attached but it doesn't show up because that glamour is only visible when you're SMN (don't ask me why, it's supposed to be an illusion, you can turn plate armour into a swimsuit, why does Artifact Gear suddenly care?)

It of course goes without saying that everyone else in the instance, the other 143 people, instantly see you regardless of where they are on the map and they are absolutely disgusted with your fashion faux pas. Your party cannot bear the sight of you and you are kicked, everyone else in Eureka refuses to let you in because you look like a clown. Someone calls a GM, they take one look at you and put you in the gaol for a month to prevent people from unsubbing whenever they see your awful outfit. Servers crash, datacenters burn down, YoshiP loses his job, the entire Square Enix goes under and all of their IPs are acquired by EA and they announce FIFA Fantasy XVI the very same day. And it's all YOUR fault because you tried to create glamour plates that use AF pieces on a role-shared piece of gear.

I feel that was the actual problem the person was trying to bring up, but he found it difficult to explain n_n

And yes I find it incredibly frustrating too because it's not exactly easy to explain even though I know exactly what I'm talking about but always someone comes along with the "but you can link glamour plates" suggestion, which is... not very useful because it doesn't work in most situations. And anyone who brings up the problem of it not working clearly already knows that.

(Please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not irritated at you, I just quoted you to help illustrate the problem. I'm just irritated at this problem constantly being deflected, misunderstood or just plain ignored. I am sorry if I any of my hyperboles go too far or my tone sounds too aggressive, please take it with a grain of salt and tongue in cheek ^^)

So in short: neither adding more plates nor linking glamours to gearsets will solve the underlying issue.
However, it could potentially be solved in one of two ways:

• SE allows us to apply glamour plates in any place where we can also change jobs (so pretty much anywhere except instanced dungeons) or
• SE allows glamours to ignore job restrictions

I'd be happy with either, but either has to happen if my dead shrivelled heart is to ever feel joy, love or existential validation again.

[Iscah]

If you could glamour a job's "gear slot" instead of the gear itself I don't think that would be a problem. I don't know how hard it would be to change that tho.

I don't know exactly how the gear system is programmed, but from what I've guessed, I think it would be a major undertaking even though it seems a simple thing.

I think it comes down to the same issue why we won't get any extra features added to the character creator: it would require adding new elements to the information stored about your character.

Right now, your character has 14 "boxes" of information about what gear they have equipped. Each box has a label (ie. the glamour information stored on the gear piece) saying what the gear should look like.

When the game needs to display your character, it looks in one place for the instructions of your appearance: the glamour labels on the boxes.

Add separate glamour slots, and firstly the game needs space for another 12 boxes in your character data, and another 12 x [number of classes] to remember the glamour sets for each one. Then the programming has to change to look at those boxes instead of the labels on the gear. Or if you want the option to turn the "glamour slots" on and off, that's another thing to add and program.

By comparison, the glamour plate system has been built to sit off to the side, away from your normal character data, and is essentially a more efficient way of sticking new labels on your boxes. It's still holding a lot of extra information, but the system doesn't need to transmit it everywhere your character goes.


Thinking it over, I actually think there are advantages to the system as it is, too. If your appearance was hard-linked to your class, you could only have one look per class (unless you saved glamour sets separately to gear sets which is... more or less back to plates). I have two different "summoner costume" plates to apply to my gear, and a few casual outfits that are also equipped to summoner.

The main issue is with the number and availability of plates. At some point there was a post (I can't remember if it was official or just in response to something in an interview) saying something about them being able to increase either the number of plates or the range of places where they can be accessed, but not both. (Personally I'd prefer more plates - I can deal with having to go back to a town to apply them, but not being able to store all the designs I want is harder to work with.)

[Iscah]

So imagine that you have the Scaevan Robe of Casting equipped that is your BIS chest piece for both SMN and RDM. You have 2 job-specific glamour plates but each uses a job-exclusive AF glamour for the chest slot: Duelist's Tabard for RDM and Channeler's Vest for SMN. You can link those plates to their respective gearsets, and as long as you're in a city, everything is fine, the ugly robe glamours into your pretty AF appearance seamlessly.
However, you decide to go into Eureka, because maybe you're feeling masochistic that day or something. In Kugane, before entering, you put on your SMN gearset (Scaevan Robe of Casting with Channeler's Vest glamoured onto it). Once inside, you look for a party, you find one, you look at the party makeup and notice there aren't any RDMs in it (let's also assume this is an upside-down alternative universe). So you, being a team-player and an altruist, volunteer to switch to RDM. So you do...

Hyperbole aside, I actually take that as something of a challenge!

My main summoner outfit is built around the Lv50 relic coat, but all the other pieces are generic caster or all-classes (True Griffin gloves, Amatsu skirt, Gambler's boots) with the specific intent that it will still look okay if I have to switch to red mage out in the field! And even then, I still have my second-best mage coat glamoured with the Duelist's Tabard, which would be fine for Eureka anyway...

(And actually, the Scaevan coat is one of the few things I don't mind letting go unglamoured as a RDM coat. It beats the bulky samurai robes by a long shot.)

Which is a long wander off your actual point, I know, but still - it's something you can plan for and work around.