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[Chocobits]

Oh hi This Thread! I haven't seen you in forever!

Summarization: "I've been here since NA release and I'm not paying until X patch comes out! That isn't happening soon.. right..?"

Despite having played the open beta a week before release, and reading all the negative reviews, I bought the game when it dipped in price earlier this year, because it had improved and because it was free to play.

It's miles better than it was when it was first released, but still not a product I would pay a fee for. 2.0 looks more or less exactly like I wanted this game to be at release, and exceeded my expectations for how much this game could be turned around.

So, instead of making demands, feeling entitled/betrayed or trying to raise a pitchfork army, I'm just going to do the easy, sensible thing: Quit playing until the game "gets there", to the point that it's at least as responsive/functional/enjoyable as its predecessor FFXI...

I'll play your 2.0 SE, but just because you've poured blood and sweat into reforming this train wreck (and for that feat you do have my amazement), I'm not going to pay to beta test version 1.x for a year until 2.0 comes out. The entire server/storyline/game mechanics are being overhauled, and as much as I'm looking forward to the finished product - I may not like the final product, and by that time I've shelled out like $200 in game fees. Release 2.0 and I promise you'll get at least 1 month of fees from me, which is more than I would've promised to pledge before the announcement of 2.0.

[Zanfire]

Actually, the game wouldn't have been shut down, if anything it would probably have still made a profit versus keeping it free for a year.

If it didn't shut down during a free year, it wouldn't have shutdown while it was being charged. MMOs that get shutdown very quickly are usually because they're not WoW clones or because they can't compete with established MMOs of 5 years+, which means a new MMO has to compete with some MMOs that have sometimes 4 expansions worth of content which is near impossible without copy/pasting content.

They kept it open because they wanted to fix it for prides sake. If this had been any other MMO from any other company they would have shut this thing down quick. If you think this game would have made profit when they charged at release, your living in a fantasy world.

[Jennestia]

They kept it open because they wanted to fix it for prides sake. If this had been any other MMO from any other company they would have shut this thing down quick. If you think this game would have made profit when they charged at release, your living in a fantasy world.

I'm living in reality -

Running an MMO with zero profit is worse than Running an MMO with a little profit, it only takes common sense to realize this.

You don't shut something down that is making you any kind of profit, you shut something down if it's making you no profit. Most "Free MMOs" almost always has a cashshop tied to it to recoup costs and make a profit, XIV didn't have anything but box sales to go on, not even a cashshop.

Much like when they charge in January, there would have been people who still paid for it and there would have been people who didn't. Other companies also had the option of running it free if they performed poorly, but that's bleeding money which is why they close it down and sell it off, SE decided to take that hit that most companies choose not to.

[AngryNixon]

OoOoOOOoOoOoOoOorgle.

I rest my case.

[Zanfire]

I'm living in reality -

Running an MMO with zero profit is worse than Running an MMO with a little profit, it only takes common sense to realize this.

You don't shut something down that is making you any kind of profit, you shut something down if it's making you no profit. Most "Free MMOs" almost always has a cashshop tied to it to recoup costs and make a profit, XIV didn't have anything but box sales to go on, not even a cashshop.

Much like when they charge in January, there would have been people who still paid for it and there would have been people who didn't. Other companies also had the option of running it free if they performed poorly, but that's bleeding money which is why they close it down and sell it off, SE decided to take that hit that most companies choose not to.

do you really think that they would have had the amount of people playing if they had started charging right away to sustain even server costs? please, what drugs are you smoking....and can i have some =)

[PrettyPrincess]

I'm living in reality -

Running an MMO with zero profit is worse than Running an MMO with a little profit, it only takes common sense to realize this.

You don't shut something down that is making you any kind of profit, you shut something down if it's making you no profit. Most "Free MMOs" almost always has a cashshop tied to it to recoup costs and make a profit, XIV didn't have anything but box sales to go on, not even a cashshop.

Much like when they charge in January, there would have been people who still paid for it and there would have been people who didn't. Other companies also had the option of running it free if they performed poorly, but that's bleeding money which is why they close it down and sell it off, SE decided to take that hit that most companies choose not to.

Why do you bother replying to it? Zany doesn't know how the real world works obviously.

[Bowen]

do you really think that they would have had the amount of people playing if they had started charging right away to sustain even server costs? please, what drugs are you smoking....and can i have some =)

Your posts so far have made me lol.
But, seriously, if they don't charge us then this game will die and then we couldn't play it anyhow.
How we feel about it isn't going to effect anything, just be glad SE was so faithful to this game and kind enough to make it F2P for awhile.

[DucNerval]

I like how people say "oh this thread again blablabla" and still come and post in it.
Some are able to answer to someone giving is point of view to quit if he is not happy, but can't give up on replying on every topic that he himself find shitty.
Isn't this forum made to let people share their point of view with the dev team ? or is it the garbage of everyone that can't go post their whiteknighting or hate on their LS's forum ?

(Yes i think would have been better to make pay after 1.21 to catch more player, but yes i will pay when it is going to be p2p)

[Zanfire]

Your posts so far have made me lol.
But, seriously, if they don't charge us then this game will die and then we couldn't play it anyhow.
How we feel about it isn't going to effect anything, just be glad SE was so faithful to this game and kind enough to make it F2P for awhile.

do you really think the game would have been kept going if they started to charge on day 1?

[Risae]

I like how people say "oh this thread again blablabla" and still come and post in it.
Some are able to answer to someone giving is point of view to quit if he is not happy, but can't give up on replying on every topic that he himself find shitty.
Isn't this forum made to let people share their point of view with the dev team ? or is it the garbage of everyone that can't go post their whiteknighting or hate on their LS's forum ?

(Yes i think would have been better to make pay after 1.21 to catch more player, but yes i will pay when it is going to be p2p)

Do we REALLY need 10000 threads about "oh this game sucks, wtf subscription fee -.- fu"? I don't think so.