Splitting up friends defeats the spirit of an MMO. Please reverse this server mess.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Guess what? all those scary erpers you are scared of have 2 weeks to transfer, if they have problems finding groups for even the most basic stuff, what do you think is going to happen?
Datacenter isn't going to be so destitute of people that you won't be able to queue for any duty. And if you mean people to carry "you", then "you" have several months to improve "your" skill level

No it is not a free 3 M gil, I would have to spend lots of time moving things to retainers and in the event i do find a new house, move everything back. You are basically making me lose 20-100 million gil due to the lost time and the lost space I need to clog my retainers with.
If you earn that much in that time frame, that loss won't make a dent in your finances.

Seeing where you are from and the bias attacks to RP servers, I am sure you will freely put down people not liking this that are being forced on crystal and forced to make preparations and decisions we should not have to be making, all because SE wants to take the cheapest route of solving something.
Yes, because SE totally forced people to even use exploits and circumvent the lock in place just to get into Balmung, right? It's not any of the players flocking like locusts into an already bloated server, even though others gave plenty of warning this would happen's fault. It's so easy to blame everything on SE and exempt players from any personal responsability, isn't it?

Also the 2 weeks is BS, what happens after the 2 weeks I find out I end up not liking the result and need to transfer? This was very poorly thought out
You have months until the move happens to plan out and think out what you're going to do. If you end up not liking it, you take it like a responsible adult and you blame yourself for a poorly thought out transfer. You don't blame SE for making you transfer, because they didn't force you to transfer. You made that decision, not them.

I see blaming SE for everything and avoiding any player responsability is a theme with you.

[Hamada]

I see blaming SE for everything and avoiding any player responsability is a theme with you.

Why should it be different?
Do you read these forums doing the past 5 years?
How much do people need to say "Moving incentives is not enough because I do not need to move my house"
How many posters need to quote this in their signature:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-%2810-30-2013

1:14:22
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

How many people need to tell SE that this housing system is not working, we need instance housing, not the glorified FC rooms that apartments give?

The player responsibility you want to blame are the ones telling SE the problems, and yet SE ignores them all.

How do you expect someone that sees the full picture blame anything on the playerbase?

I really don't see what the issue is, free world transfers all around, and the only thing you can't bring with you is your house which is going to be refunded, so the worst case scenario is having to redecorate.

And then just completely ignoring the fact that we potentially might not have to deal with another Raubahn Extreme and the like, and how inventory issues could be alleviated?

Jeepers creepers...

Gil is not the ISSUE! getting a house is! there is not enough plots, what about FC housing? the fc shop progress?

I rather deal with "another Raubahn Extreme" ( and this can be easily prevented by not having a MSQ instance so early, something else the playerbase told SE) then deal with all these new problems with this change, and players have also spoke on what those problems are, and I am not the only one posting here dealing with "another Raubahn Extreme" for 2 weeks is much better then years of damages.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Why should it be different?
Because well resolved individuals recognize their part in the problem and don't just default to blame the "big bad boogeyman"
Do you read these forums doing the past 5 years?
I've only started playing close to 3 years, and only joined the forums on May, so no.
How much do people need to say "Moving incentives is not enough because I do not need to move my house"
Then don't move? Decide want you want to do and do it, not just plant your feet and complain about it?
How many posters need to quote this in their signature:
How many posters need to remind them that development circumstances change over time? That the devs are basically "slaves" to upper managment?
How many people need to tell SE that this housing system is not working, we need instance housing, not the glorified FC rooms that apartments give?
Just a reminder that if and when they do, no one's keeping their current furniture and will be followed by extensive maintenance time, that won't be reimbursed
The player responsibility you want to blame are the ones telling SE the problems, and yet SE ignores them all.
Again, did SE force players to transfer to bloated servers even when people advised not to do it? Did SE tell players to use an exploit to be able to transfer into Balmung while it was still locked?
How do you expect someone that sees the full picture blame anything on the playerbase?
Seeing the full picture actually entails recognizing some wrongdoing by part of the playerbase (i.e. transferring into full servers with warnings from others not to do it). Not just piling it up solely on SE
Gil is not the ISSUE! getting a house is! there is not enough plots

Some people exploiting the system to get multiple houses doesn't help either, but I'm sure SE forced them to do that as well, right?
Yet another thing cause partially by the playerbase that you decide to pile solely on SE.

There's a lot of things SE could've done better and made player life easier.
That doesn't excuse scapegoating SE on a lot of cases of ill will from players, like buying multiple housing, transfering into full servers, not allowing meta jobs in their parties, etc

[Hamada]

Some people exploiting the system to get multiple houses doesn't help either, but I'm sure SE forced them to do that as well, right?
Yet another thing cause partially by the playerbase that you decide to pile solely on SE.

There's a lot of things SE could've done better and made player life easier.
That doesn't excuse scapegoating SE on a lot of cases of ill will from players, like buying multiple housing, transfering into full servers, not allowing meta jobs in their parties, etc

For not dealing with it sooner? yep SE is to blame for ignoring people complaining about that all this time, even when they did the changes , they STILL had loopholes that again the playerbase did warn SE about and again SE turned a blind eye to. We even have a "house cat" poster that basically bragged how they exploited housing in 4.2? was it? and how many houses they own and SE still does nothing, so yes, 100% blame SE there.

So that playerbase you want to put blame on, did tell SE all this though these forums, so I blame SE for ignoring it, the player base did try to tell SE you can't blame the player base when the player base was reaching out to SE.

You can't scapegoat the player base for SE's shortcomings when there is a good number of people, that will simply transfer because "friends are there" and so on. It is not the playerbase responsibility to monitor hardware from the 1990s, or w/e decade their outdated hardware is from.

"Because well resolved individuals recognize their part in the problem and don't just default to blame the "big bad boogeyman"

I see this as really meaning: "it does not effect me so I laugh at the player base it does effect"

"I've only started playing close to 3 years, and only joined the forums on May, so no."
So you admit having no background knowledge, so I disagree your high road tone.

"Then don't move? Decide want you want to do and do it, not just plant your feet and complain about it?"
Another " this does not effect me so I do not understand how hard this is"

"How many posters need to remind them that development circumstances change over time? That the devs are basically "slaves" to upper management?"
That is not an excuse for never listening to problems of the game, that quote does not even really address the point of that I said. here is the link again, read it over:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-%2810-30-2013

"Again, did SE force players to transfer to bloated servers even when people advised not to do it? Did SE tell players to use an exploit to be able to transfer into Balmung while it was still locked?"
what are you talking about? what "exploit"?

"Seeing the full picture actually entails recognizing some wrongdoing by part of the playerbase (i.e. transferring into full servers with warnings from others not to do it). Not just piling it up solely on SE"

The playerbase did nothing wrong, you can't blame the playerbase for not knowing what exactly SE's out of date hardware can handle. This is not an issue with other games, so how are people supposed to bleeding know?

[JohnSpawnVFX]

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See how biased you are?

Even if SE didn't close the loopholes, PLAYERS still used them willingly and knowingly. But you're saying it's still SE's full responsibility, absolving players of anything wrong they did.

I'm not scapegoating the players. You're just turning me into an anti-players target because it fits your narrative. I just people to attribute proper responsibility to SE AND players, not just pile everything on SE specially player behavior.

Right, they never listen. That's why Titan is still unplayable from launch, AST is still the awful job it was at launch, and BRD is still a bow mage that the majority despises. These are few among loads of things that the players complain and they did something about. So don't say they never listen, because you're indisputably wrong.

You're here since 2015 and you don't know about the exploit people used to get into Balmung?

Except transferring into a full server, with people warning them not to, buying multiple houses on a game with limited housing, using a limit break that shouldn't be usable outside of squadron mode. But nope, all players are saints and never do anything wrong.

[Hamada]

See how biased you are?

Even if SE didn't close the loopholes, PLAYERS still used them willingly and knowingly. But you're saying it's still SE's full responsibility, absolving players of anything wrong they did.

I'm not scapegoating the players. You're just turning me into an anti-players target because it fits your narrative. I just people to attribute proper responsibility to SE AND players, not just pile everything on SE specially player behavior.

Right, they never listen. That's why Titan is still unplayable from launch, AST is still the awful job it was at launch, and BRD is still a bow mage that the majority despises. These are few among loads of things that the players complain and they did something about. So don't say they never listen, because you're indisputably wrong.

You're here since 2015 and you don't know about the exploit people used to get into Balmung?

Except transferring into a full server, with people warning them not to, buying multiple houses on a game with limited housing, using a limit break that shouldn't be usable outside of squadron mode. But nope, all players are saints and never do anything wrong.

The only one that is biased is you because you do not own a house or FC. Do you understand how much time and materials goes into that shop making 4 airships and 4 subs? Do you even grasp the social problems seeing people go to crystal and aether where there is a high chance people will just flood back to aether causing a repeat? Your bias is simply it does not effect you, and don't think about others.

Also I disagree that originally you had the idea of blaming both, because originally you had this quote:

I see blaming SE for everything and avoiding any player responsability is a theme with you.

and all the bolds you commented on, ill give you one thing you are correct about "If you earn that much in that time frame, that loss won't make a dent in your finances." but you are neglecting all the time lost in rebuilding, no gil value can reimburse that, just because SE can't be bothered to transfer some data.

I will give you another, even I feel some of the blame on the players esp house cat for acting that way, however you sounded like you wanted put ALL the blame on players while neglecting SE has a great effect to this. In the end you can't expect the average causal player that does not come on forums and such, to know about SE's hardware and transferring in playing with friends.

With people trying to find exploits and loopholes? yeah a small blame on the players is that, like 20% player/ 80% SE ( the mass playerbase should not have to suffer because of those few that want to exploit things) but as I am pointing out here, it is still most of SE's fault, esp when people want to use the defense "we warned SE about this loophole, they did nothing so it is ok" I agree that logic is childish and was posted from some people on this OF. You know what my reply to that logic is? If you are going to have a target audience with this kind of personality, then you have a responsibility to cater to them, meaning act like children, get treated as such, like the forced cut scene and pvp chat/feast change.

There was once a time this game had no kick feature and no queue drop quota, so SE had made those changes (well more so the drop reject queue quota) because people would troll it. That is another instance of the player base needed a change because they could not conduct themselves as reasonable human beings.

But yes I can agree with blaming both, depends in what case, but most of the blame is still on SE's hands, and a lot of that has to do with ignoring feedback, that the player base was trying to point out the very problems you want to blame the player base for doing? So if a group of people say some problem will take place, you ignore it, the problem happens, shouldn't the fault rest in your hands not the group of people?

[Gralna]