Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

[Elerus]

You're asking them to design and balance two jobs in one. Which means either no new Healer job, or no new Tank job for the expac.
If you don't take dev time and overall ressources required to bring your ideas to life, then they're not realistic.

Of course it'd be awesome to have everything. But that can only happen in a dream world.

I'm asking they design a set of Blue Magic skills for current group content as they would for any other class. Then I'm asking they let you learn monster skills for their solo and curated content.

There is one set of skills that the developers will have to design.

There is another set that is literally copy/pasted from the repertoire of monsters. This already seems to be SE's plan, so nothing has to change. After all Square was stating how Level 5 death would, apparently, kill raid bosses so it doesn't seem like they're going to alter, nerf, or nullify any monster skill Blue Mages presently get. It's a case of what you see (or get hit with) is what you get. They'll use the same potency, animation, and particle effect from the monster itself.

I sincerely don't think that's beyond SE's resources. WoW can shake up every single one of their 34 specs, add new ones, and then slather on multiple entirely new skill trees on top of that for each expansion. I find it hard to believe Square cannot design a single class for group play and provide some solo content using copy/pasted half-a-decade old abilities that are already in the game.

In fact, while we're on that topic I'll go a step beyond: not only should Square use this approach but if it proved popular and successful they should then look into providing solo content for EACH class in the game. They're a multibillion dollar company, and their competitors can, have, and are doing it. One has to keep up with the competition.

[Fyce]

I'm asking they design a set of Blue Magic skills for current group content as they would for any other class. Then I'm asking they let you learn monster skills for their solo and curated content.

There is one set of skills that the developers will have to design.

There is another set that is literally copy/pasted from the repertoire of monsters. This already seems to be SE's plan, so nothing has to change. After all Square was stating how Level 5 death would, apparently, kill raid bosses so it doesn't seem like they're going to alter, nerf, or nullify any monster skill Blue Mages presently get. It's a case of what you see (or get hit with) is what you get. They'll use the same potency, animation, and particle effect from the monster itself.

I sincerely don't think that's beyond SE's resources. WoW can shake up every single one of their 34 specs, add new ones, and then slather on multiple entirely new skill trees on top of that for each expansion. I find it hard to believe Square cannot design a single class for group play and provide some solo content using copy/pasted half-a-decade old abilities that are already in the game.

In fact, while we're on that topic I'll go a step beyond: not only should Square use this approach but if it proved popular and successful they should then look into providing solo content for EACH class in the game. They're a multibillion dollar company, and their competitors can, have, and are doing it. One has to keep up with the competition.

I don't think you fully graps how hard and time consuming it is to "design one set of skill for group content". They can't even keep a good balance between three tanks that has been around for more than three years now. Same for the three healers. And if the leaks are correct, we're getting one more for each of these roles.
And now you ask them so simply make another set? And your argument is that WoW did some stuff and that "they are a multibillion dollar company". That's... not how that works. At all.

P.S.: WoW's balance is trash compared to FFXIV's. Lots of builds are absolute tosh, and every expac you get everything thrown upside-down. I really wouldn't take it as a good example.

[Elerus]

I don't think you fully graps how hard and time consuming it is to "design one set of skill for group content". They can't even keep a good balance between three tanks that has been around for more than three years now. Same for the three healers. And if the leaks are correct, we're getting one more for each of these roles.
And now you ask them so simply make another set? And your argument is that WoW did some stuff and that "they are a multibillion dollar company". That's... not how that works. At all.

P.S.: WoW's balance is trash compared to FFXIV's. Lots of builds are absolute tosh, and every expac you get everything thrown upside-down. I really wouldn't take it as a good example.

Great! Using your logic Square should full stop put an end to all this "limited class" nonsense and ANY new classes and focus on what they have because they cannot even manage what is presently in the game. Who knows? Perhaps you're right. I think many would disagree, but it's an interesting notion.

[Fyce]

Great! Using your logic Square should full stop put an end to all this "limited class" nonsense and ANY new classes and focus on what they have because they cannot even manage what is presently in the game. Who knows? Perhaps you're right. I think many would disagree, but it's an interesting notion.

What about "my logic" has to do with anything of what you talked about? My logic is that the amount of ressources is finite, and that you are asking something that goes beyond the line. Stretching that into saying that they shouldn't do anything else is ridiculous.
Fallacious arguments and strawman won't get you anywhere with me bud'. (Edit: Well, actually that's wrong. It usually gets people in my blacklist.)

[Elerus]

What about "my logic" has to do with anything of what you talked about? My logic is that the amount of ressources is finite, and that you are asking something that goes beyond the line. Stretching that into saying that they shouldn't do anything else is ridiculous.
Fallacious arguments and strawman won't get you anywhere with me bud'.

Likewise moving the goalpost won't with me. But I'll assume you wish to converse in good faith. So, allow me to help you. I will now quote verbatim what you wrote earlier:

They can't even keep a good balance between three tanks that has been around for more than three years now. Same for the three healers. And if the leaks are correct, we're getting one more for each of these roles.

Square, by your own admission, cannot entertain "my" idea because it takes too many resources. In fact you then point out they cannot even adequately handle or balance the jobs present in the game at this moment. Therefore, since Square are already in your own words overburdened it makes no sense for them to add any additional new jobs - Blue Mage or otherwise.

[Fyce]

Likewise moving the goalpost won't with me. But I'll assume you wish to converse in good faith. So, allow me to help you. I will now quote verbatim what you wrote earlier:



Square, by your own admission, cannot entertain "my" idea because it takes too many resources. In fact you then point out they cannot even adequately handle or balance the jobs present in the game at this moment. Therefore, since Square are already in your own words overburdened it makes no sense for them to add any additional new jobs - Blue Mage or otherwise.

That's still stretching and distording that I've said to a ridiculous degree. Jeez.

They can do things.
They can't do everything.

How does that translates into me saying that they shouldn't make anything at all because they are overburdened? That's absolutly not what I'm saying. I won't repeat myself a third time.

[Elerus]

That's still stretching and distording that I've said to a ridiculous degree. Jeez.

They can do things.
They can't do everything.

How does that translates into me saying that they shouldn't make anything at all because they are overburdened? That's absolutly not what I'm saying. I won't repeat myself a third time.

Feel free to repeat yourself as often as you like - it's a public forum. You may want to give the full context of the quote to which I was responding, however. I cannot help but notice it was omitted.