5.0 and MSQ Skip: Free Skip Potion?

[TwistedTea]

They can eithe buy a potion or not buy one, it’s pretty simple.

Okay, got it. You're going to keep defending SE double dipping because of their game design choices when they could easily give a free skip potion/option. Also, you don't see a problem with purchasing skip potions to get to end-game content, that people might want to get into even if they are not into the story, like with other MMORPGs.

[ShanXiv]

Again I ask, why are you so concerned about new players? 4.0 launches with limited access to jump potions and it was still beyond crowded, we barely could play the first couple days. New players aren’t little fragile babies that need to be coddled or cherished. They can eithe buy a potion or not buy one, it’s pretty simple.

I think because he knew 95% players had quit...
I hope there are more new players too! so the server is more lively(welcome to Aegis lol...)

but the issues is not the MSQ, it's the formula...
the contents in this game lack the longevity,

If a guy is so impatient, he wants to skip everything,
or if a guy he is a serious player, he wants some serious designed content, but the contents are so shallow & irrelevant,
will you expect him to play the game for a long time?

[Tenryuu-Kai]

Basically you want SE to give out a few thousand worth of € for skip potions, to people who will quit the game because they have no idea how mechanics work & no idea how to play their job. Its so easy to spot people who used a skip potion and its a pain to play with them because they decided to go the Lazy path and ruin other peoples experience that way, I Rather help a newbie through all the old content so he learns the game, instead of him joining me in the end-game content and wiping us / Being deadweight.

I dont want to be rude but this thread is the same as ''Nerf Shinryu normal mode plx!'' because im 100% certain that most people having issues with the fight are people who used jump potions.


1. Pay for your Boost and SUPPORT SE that way.
2. Do the MSQ like most of us had.
3. Dont play the game.
TBH its your pick, but if people dont have the stamina to catch up with content they should reconsider if the MMORPG genre is even a thing for them.

[BlitzAceRush]

The option is there if people want it, they can just buy the potion, I've never understood the whole idea of skipping to the end right away but if that's you're desire as a player they've got an option for that, however can you name a game that gives a free option to skip right to the new stuff? WoW often throws in one boost with it's expansion but you still had to pre-order so I guess SE could do the same but it dose raise the question. if you're willing to buy the expansion only if it comes with a boost to skip everything, why didn't you just buy the boost now and skip everything? Why would these new players only be interested then but not now? and only if it comes with a free skip that they still were willing to buy the expac to a game they previously didn't want to play?

[Seraphor]

I've never understood the concept of buying a game, only to skip 90% of its content.

The end gsme isnt that great, and gor me, its certainly not the best part of the game.

I joined a few months after stormblood, and spent the first year behind everyone else, catching up at my own pace, enjoying the game and the story, and thanks to roulettes and my FC I never felt excluded from anything.
That year was far more enjoyable than the end game grind, and I still prefer to hit up old content i never got around to doing, like Hildebrand and just now catching up with Eureka, than grinding current raids for tombstones.

[Tenryuu-Kai]

I think because he knew 95% players had quit...
I hope there are more new players too! so the server is more lively(welcome to Aegis lol...)

but the issues is not the MSQ, it's the formula...
the contents in this game lack the longevity,

If a guy is so impatient, he wants to skip everything,
or if a guy he is a serious player, he wants some serious designed content, but the contents are so shallow & irrelevant,
will you expect him to play the game for a long time?

Aegis is on Elemental so i cant say much about that, but on Aether Balmung is the reason why servers are ''dead'', SE is already giving out a good opportunity with the new Server split incomming and World visit, Louisoix is also a dead wasteland on Chaos which will probably fix itself with the new players coming in 5.0 & the world visit system. Keep in mind that also a lot of players will transfer world to stay with their static or friends once the split will happen, which will live up more empty worlds because bigger ones will be locked.

I do agree that some content is very Shallow (Eureka lul) but most of the MSQ quests are not irrelevant. because the game still pushes you towards trials and dungeons on a decent pace and makes you learn the game step by step. I would love if they cut out the Quests between expansion like ARR - HW 100 sidequests, but that aint going to happen because its too much work. FF XIV Endgame is not nearly as good as everyone thinks and you will probably quit the game because you notice that. there wont even be endgame on 5.0 for a while because SE doesnt release Savages on release date, so you probably going to have to deal with 1-2 EX Primae which is not even endgame.

[TwistedTea]

Basically you want SE to give out a few thousand worth of € for skip potions...

As the skip potion is a digital product created by SE, the value of it might be 0.

to people who will quit the game because they have no idea how mechanics work & no idea how to play their job. Its so easy to spot people who used a skip potion and its a pain to play with them because they decided to go the Lazy path and ruin other peoples experience that way, I Rather help a newbie through all the old content so he learns the game, instead of him joining me in the end-game content and wiping us / Being deadweight.

That's how the game handles teaching players class skils/mechanics and mechanics in general. Also, we don't get our full level 70 kit,well until 70. So at max level, people have to re-learn their classes anyway. There was another thread about creating an advanced Hall of the Novice for the following content and similar stuff:

1. Hall of Ex Primals
2. Hall of the Raider

If a player is unable to clear these solo, they don't get to enter ex primals/savage raids etc.

1. Pay for your Boost and SUPPORT SE that way.

Because SE is a small indie company...

2. Do the MSQ like most of us had.

We suffered, so should you!

3. Dont play the game.

Brilliant!

...if the MMORPG genre is even a thing for them.

Only on the FFXIV forums, have I seen people defending something like the current MSQ which is a mostly solo experience, as being conducive to an MMORPG.

[ShanXiv]

The option is there if people want it, they can just buy the potion, I've never understood the whole idea of skipping to the end right away but if that's you're desire as a player they've got an option for that, however can you name a game that gives a free option to skip right to the new stuff? WoW often throws in one boost with it's expansion but you still had to pre-order so I guess SE could do the same but it dose raise the question. if you're willing to buy the expansion only if it comes with a boost to skip everything, why didn't you just buy the boost now and skip everything? Why would these new players only be interested then but not now? and only if it comes with a free skip that they still were willing to buy the expac to a game they previously didn't want to play?

It's not very hard to understand....
like classic games, pop music, movies & some good stuff in the golden era, they are so good & they don't fade over time.
but classic stuff is very hard to make, it requires time & talented directors & developers.
New players come & try this game, because the hype & the graphics are pretty,
after some time,they found that this game is just so so, then leave, maybe 1/20 of them will stay,
so there's a constant need for new players to fill the gap

[Tenryuu-Kai]

I've never understood the concept of buying a game, only to skip 90% of its content.

The end gsme isnt that great, and gor me, its certainly not the best part of the game.

I joined a few months after stormblood, and spent the first year behind everyone else, catching up at my own pace, enjoying the game and the story, and thanks to roulettes and my FC I never felt excluded from anything.
That year was far more enjoyable than the end game grind, and I still prefer to hit up old content i never got around to doing, like Hildebrand and just now catching up with Eureka, than grinding current raids for tombstones.

You hit the sweet spot there, i started mid sb and i basically hit level 70 1 month after Sigamscape got relased, The endgame was Hella fun because i had to CATCH UP and there was actual ENDGAME content, but at the start of 5.0 there WONT be any end-game content for multiple weeks or months. so a jump potion would be Really wasted if you could Enjoy the earlier content before that. The community in this game is great and i had a awesome FC which never made me feel excluded. (They even showed me stuff like diadem which i probably would have never touched without them or if i was capped already.)

Many people even missed out the Alexander Raid tier which is just amazing to go back and just Sync it, Sigmascape was hella fun too. you miss most of the good and Fun content if you skip at the start of 5.0 and im pretty sure most people will just quit after hiting lvl 80 with 5.0 release because they realize FF doesnt offer any kind of endgame for a while after Expansion launch.

[Solarra]

Again I ask, why are you so concerned about new players?

Because retaining players is essential for the health of the game. We need new players, it's as simple as that and if new players come in hyped for the new expansion and find it locked behind a tedious slog through the MSQ, they won't stay.

I'm story driven, but I have several friends who couldn't care less about the story. They are loving end-game but getting there was not fun for them. ARR MSQ has problems with filler (I've 2 alts and even I balked at the Titan questline third time round). Castrum and Prae are still providing a horrible experience for many newbies.

Skip potions are a good solution because they don't spoil the story experience for those of us who enjoy it. If we want to run around gathering tea-leaves etc. while a major threat looms and talk to every minor NPC along the way, we still can.
I love the story, I made my alts specifically to experience it again, but that's me. I don't see any benefit in forcing the entire, unedited MSQ on people who don't play for the story and feel frustrated at how it is gating them from content they enjoy.