SE, the concept of "Limited Jobs" is a really bad idea, turn back now

[SonKevin]

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Blue Mages are known for only a handful of abilities? Really? Blue Mage is a niche class. People are acting like they just did this to a class with actual history. It's a freaking joke to act like this is a horror show because they did to Blue Mage of all jobs! Gasp! The horror! The niche class that didn't appear until FFV and doesn't appear all that often is the one they do this to?

[Skyskip]

So you want a job, the uses enemy skills, but the enemy skills aren't unique because they have to fit into a rotation like every other class? Why even bother at that point? It would just be a carbon copy of RDM except you'd change RDM's skills in one that looked like enemy skills. You might as well make something brand new.

By this logic, why have more than 1 of every role type? Why do we need more tanks, healers, or DPS? Why don't we all just play the same three jobs?

It's a stupid question and you know it.

[Zakon]

So you want a job, the uses enemy skills, but the enemy skills aren't unique because they have to fit into a rotation like every other class? Why even bother at that point? It would just be a carbon copy of RDM except you'd change RDM's skills in one that looked like enemy skills. You might as well make something brand new.

Bringing up RDM is just showing how they can make a fun and unique gameplay style out of a system that people thought would be unable to be adapted into the trinity, while also remaining true to the job's roots. It casts white and black magic, it double casts, it has a melee combo, it has heals in the form of powerful battle resses and the best heal any job has access to outside of literal healer jobs.

How can you look at Red Mage and think their only option would be to copy something that already exists? Why would Blue Mage suddenly use the exact Red Mage gameplay style?

[Nariel]

Are crafter/gatherer classes useless side content?

Crafter/Gatherer aren't fighting content. They barely are PvE content actualy if you consider they don't fight anything in the environnement and nobody expect them to be fighting anything because they are Disciple of the land/hand, unlike the blue mage who is a Disciple of magic like the Back and red mage or the summoner but unable to be played in anything relevant those 3 others DoM are able to participate at will.

[XelphatolTylenolCepacolAlcohol]

Blue Mages are known for only a handful of abilities? Really? Blue Mage is a niche class. People are acting like they just did this to a class with actual history. It's a freaking joke to act like this is a horror show because they did to Blue Mage of all jobs! Gasp! The horror! The niche class that didn't appear until FFV and doesn't appear all that often is the one they do this to?

Yes, the job that's been around for 26 years actually does have a history.

[SonKevin]

Why would Blue Mage suddenly use the exact Red Mage gameplay style?

Why don't you explain to me how it would be different? How could they adapt BLU to be different from RDM?

[Powercow]

So you want a job, the uses enemy skills, but the enemy skills aren't unique because they have to fit into a rotation like every other class?

The skills can still be unique, and it is possible for them to figure out some way of allowing you to use abilities in different orders. For example, imagine BLU, with its ability to learn tons of skills but only bring a limited number, actually changing what skills they bring based on the fight and party composition. Have a movement-heavy boss and a physical-heavy group? Bring skills A, B, and C. Movement but have a mage buddy? A, B, D. Boss with an add phase and physical? A, E, C. Adds with a mage? A, E, D. Boss you have to stand way back from, physical? A, L, C... you get the idea. Would it be tough to balance? Probably. Would it be cool to have a job that actually has variety in how it prepares for a fight and deals with fights? Absolutely!

Why even bother at that point? It would just be a carbon copy of RDM except you'd change RDM's skills in one that looked like enemy skills.

I mean, isn't Ninja just Monk with reskinned skills? They both hit bosses in melee, use a buff. Heck so is Samurai. And Summoner is clearly just Black Mage but reskinned -- you cast SPELLS! C'mon SE, don't be lazy, why did you guys make AST exactly like White Mage but with card-like animations instead of magic?!

You might as well make something brand new.

Like Summoner! Oh man that could never work, imagine a job that summons primals... I mean, Odin's Zantetsuken would insta-kill any boss, and it's not like they couldn't implement Summoner without one of the most iconic summons in FF history!

[SonKevin]

Yes, the job that's been around for 26 years actually does have a history.

Just because something is old doesn't mean it has a lot of history. If you've only been introduced a handful of times then unless there's a lot of people who are major fans of FFV(which you can see is not the case because people are whining at the AF) then it's really not a popular class.

[XelphatolTylenolCepacolAlcohol]

Just because something is old doesn't mean it has a lot of history. If you've only been introduced a handful of times then unless there's a lot of people who are major fans of FFV(which you can see is not the case because people are whining at the AF) then it's really not a popular class.

So unpopular, in fact, that some of the hottest topics on both the official forums and the ffxiv reddit are overwhelmingly people expressing their disapproval and/or disappointment about something they've been looking forward to for years. Yup. No interest at all. Nothing to see here.

[Nariel]

Why don't you explain to me how it would be different? How could they adapt BLU to be different from RDM?

First of all, while being blue magic they are monster move, with a lot of variation.

They can use the elemental weakness as a mecanic, you use a fire element spell to grow up a debuff on the monster and consume it with a wind spell for additonal damage per exemple, force to rotate between different duality whith cooldown on the "stack consumer".

They can use the physical or magic monster skill changing wich spell to choose and what rotation to use for any monster who use mainly magic or physical or even use the template of weakness they actualy choose for the masks carnival to force the mage to use a definite set of spell that exploit their weakness to be efficient with a base toolkit of jack of all trade skill.