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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesarthim View Post
    Gee it sure would be great if they worked on an expansion that didn't include any tanks or healers for the sake of balancing the ones we do have. Oh...

    Look how well that turned out? Do we go 2 expansions of no new healers and tanks? 3? 4? When do we expect this "balance" you speak of? To be fair the balancing is better than it was but DRK and WHM still need a looking at but it isn't as doom and gloom as you speak of. They just need to dig themselves out of this hole they've dug when it comes to mitigation and raw healing which again is something they've had years to solve.
    How can they dig themselves out when people are asking for them to dig deeper? Or do you consider them adding new classes digging themselves out? Never spoke of doom and gloom either just pointing out the hypocritical nature present in the thread. Can spin it however you want, there is no escaping that you are asking them to increase balancing difficulty by adding more classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    How can they dig themselves out when people are asking for them to dig deeper? Or do you consider them adding new classes digging themselves out? Never spoke of doom and gloom either just pointing out the hypocritical nature present in the thread. Can spin it however you want, there is no escaping that you are asking them to increase balancing difficulty by adding more classes.
    To which I say: if they can't balance the jobs, they don't deserve thier jobs. Also you are making a very wrong-headed assumption in that SE dev team will bend over backwards to accommodate player demand to the detriment of the game as a whole. This is definitely not the case or else we would have houses for everyone, super customizable character appearances, unlimited inventory, a much more robust glamour system, etc. ...

    SE will introduce what they feel the game needs and they are capable of balancing. They certainly don't need you to pre-emptively defend them from hypothetical backlash because some players want nice things despite some imbalance in the game's current state. There will always be cries of IMBA and BETTER BUFF WAR/SCH, those types of complaints won't stop any competent developer from adding more variety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    How can they dig themselves out when people are asking for them to dig deeper? Or do you consider them adding new classes digging themselves out? Never spoke of doom and gloom either just pointing out the hypocritical nature present in the thread. Can spin it however you want, there is no escaping that you are asking them to increase balancing difficulty by adding more classes.
    You can spin it however you want too. See? I can say that too! They've had YEARS to fix this nonsense for the classes that currently exist. One could say there's been balance problems since as far back as 2.0. They still added ninja, dark knight, machinist, astrologian, samurai and red mage.
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    Kinazu Langurag
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    How can they dig themselves out when people are asking for them to dig deeper? Or do you consider them adding new classes digging themselves out? Never spoke of doom and gloom either just pointing out the hypocritical nature present in the thread. Can spin it however you want, there is no escaping that you are asking them to increase balancing difficulty by adding more classes.
    Sometimes a little imbalance is what's needed to get things just balanced right.
    It might sound odd, but it's true. If everything was "truly" balanced, then everything, every job would be the same thing. You can't have anything interesting without imbalance.

    I've played lots of imbalanced games, some were great, some were a total mess. It depends, really. Imbalance can be a blessing and a curse at the same time. FFXIV, however, is not that imbalanced as you think: Every job can and does perform good in the raiding scene. No job has a big "No, we don't want you." There's always a static willing to accept x and y jobs even though they're not meta or currently not that strong.

    So yes, SE might as well dig their hole deeper so they can finally see why they're going down the wrong "hole". Sometimes you need to hit rock-bottom in order to pull yourself up again. You might as well try instead of regret not having tried it. Depening on what you find the lesser of the two evils, I'd rather know than not know.
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