Let Me Level up in 5.0

[Mirakumi]

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I'm not saying they are solely going to be running Fates. Most people who don't want to be doing that are going to be in POTD and HOH which you can enter POTD at level 1 and the 50 version at level 1. I'm saying that people who have friends who want to try to start the game should be encouraged to have a mentor with them.

People who play the game already know how it works. They can get the class to high levels quickly there's no one forcing them into anything. I've created countless of characters and they are already expanding into higher levels. It's not hard like you said and its not hurting the higher players. They know how to get to higher levels. PERIOD.

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Challenge Log
Hunting Log
Leves
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If you think you're going to slog through the levels you're mistaken greatly.
When the Hevensward content jobs came out people got to 60 in a day or so.
If people want the job to higher levels they can achieve it easily.


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As the one button two button thing?
I get it - it's boring but at the same time people learning needed to see how to rotation faired.
Like I said you don't want that there's always POTD where you can enter it at 50 via level 1. You'll have all the buttons to mash then won't you?

[Vidu]

I'm not saying they are solely going to be running Fates. Most people who don't want to be doing that are going to be in POTD and HOH which you can enter POTD at level 1. I'm saying that people who have friends who want to try to start the game should be encouraged to have a mentor with them.

People who play the game already know how it works. They can get the class to high levels quickly there's no one forcing them into anything. I've created countless of characters and they are already expanding into higher levels. It's not hard like you said and its not hurting the higher players. They know how to get to higher levels. PERIOD.

So you're not talking about people who are starting this game alone and then struggle to find friends, but about people who start this game at the recommendation of friends already at higher levels and who are lonely now because they friends arent doing FATEs in central Thanlan with them for the first 16 levels?

I dont fully follow your logic here - if you're talking about new, lonely people your suggestion wont do anything because of what I adressed earlier.
If you're talking about new people with friends already in the game your suggestions wont - or rather shouldnt - help either. Seeing how you can still easly access everything the new person can, even at max level, nothing is hindering you to help your new friend out. Except yourself. If you need to be forced into doing stuff with low level friends by being at the same low level, I feel deeply sorry for them. It also wont help if the new jobs arent something you're intrested in to begin with.

You can play with newly started friends even if you have everything at max-level. You dont need to be level 10 to play with someone at level 10 (at least not outside of Eureka, which desperatly needs level synch... but thats another topic).
And the open world wont fill for long with people who have to slug through the first 16 levels, before they can head into dungeons. Let me assure you that it wont have any lasting effects - when ninja was released we had ninja-FATE-parties for a couple of weeks before everything died again.

And yes, it IS hurting longterm players by making them go through a boring leveling experience for no good reason (again: Boring leveling = the low level stuff where you have like 3 buttons and non of your core job mechanics).
Making them start at level 1 isnt benefitting anyone. I get that some people might want to do that to themself and I wont object to an option given to them that makes them start at level 1 (to be clear though: JUST leveling, no job quests til the intended starting level).
I know how to easly level at low levels - thats why I know that it isnt intresting, fun or engaging content that I wanna do. Its content in which my job lacks basic skills like full combos and in which I either learn nothing or learn stuff the wrong way. I'd rather start with a full toolkit and an idea where the job is headed right away. And despite being level 70, I can still join friends for their first run of Sastasha.

[Mirakumi]

I meant generally all low-level characters new and people who are starting with the recommendation of friends.

I get where you're coming from but there's nothing preventing you from having a full toolset from the beginning. If you're so adamant about it just go into POTD and get the higher level so fast. You can easily jump to higher levels if you know what's up.

I'm more or less just talking about the people who want to have that experience again and in the same can level with people who need the help.

[Lastelli]

I get where you're coming from but there's nothing preventing you from having a full toolset from the beginning. If you're so adamant about it just go into POTD and get the higher level so fast. You can easily jump to higher levels if you know what's up.

I would personally consider immoral if SE released a new job at a level lower than the one achievable with a jump potion. I understand that they added jump potions only to help new players (right? ah ah...ah...), and since that was the case (again...AHAHAH) I expect them to release new jobs starting from the highest possible level achievable by using a jump potion.

[Mirakumi]

I personally don't like the idea of Jump Potions but that's a whole other debate.

[Vidu]

I meant generally all low-level characters new and people who are starting with the recommendation of friends.

I get where you're coming from but there's nothing preventing you from having a full toolset from the beginning. If you're so adamant about it just go into POTD and get the higher level so fast. You can easily jump to higher levels if you know what's up.

I'm more or less just talking about the people who want to have that experience again and in the same can level with people who need the help.

But there is something preventing me from having an actual, functioning toolkit from the beginning if the job starts at level 1 - which is excatly that: Starting at level 1!
The last two expansions were clever enough to give us jobs that were already at a functional level, with a functional toolkit. You're telling me just to do content that I might not enjoy to get the job to an enjoyable level? I want to enjoy my leveling experience and thats much, much easier when it doesnt start out with an aweful dread through stuff thats not very intresting (FATEs, killing low level enemies by hitting one button in whatever scenario) with a job thats not very intresting (hitting one button - and btw that teaches me nothing about the syngery and the gameplay of said job)

On the other hand there is nothing stopping you from pretending you dont have a full toolkit and going through the dungeons in order - if you really wanna do that.
And there should absolutly be nothing stopping you from helping your friends that you recommended the game to - for sure not your level.

Yes, a leveling experience is needed to learn a job in a more safe enviroment and by giving us more and more skills over time - but frankly: The first 50 levels add little to that, at best they do nothing, at worst they confuse or teach wrong things.
If you really want to start at level 1 - you can do that in PotD just as much as I can start at level 60 there...
...and saying that I'd like to repeat that I dont even mind an option for players to forcefully delevel and start at 1, if they really desire to. But dont make me do that. Dont make me go through low level FATEs or PotD again (some of the stuff you listed wont work for levels 1-16 or even 16-50 - cant really do hunts at level 10, at least not most of them) when the devs already showed that they understood that giving us fully functional job at a certain level is the better way.

[Mirakumi]

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Hunting logs are what you get after the level 10 class quest. I wasn't talking about the major hunts.

But yes I get what you're saying if anything they should release a level sync system like they did 11.