Old PvP rewards should be attainable through frequent season ranking/participation

[Stormfur]

If the same rewards were attainable season after season, saying "I'll get there next time!" would make a lot more sense. It would be akin to downing a boss in Savage -- you learn the mechanics, optimize your class and work with your team. Victory is practically assured this way.

Feast can stack the deck against you right from the start (poor matchmaking + a very limited and shrinking pool to draw from + queues that last for hours), and that can make even the most determined player feel defeated right out of the gate.

And I agree that losing SHOULD spur you to try harder -- but we all know that losing is the core source of the toxicity in Feast. So much so that they had to remove the chat and adjust the skills to encourage more people to play (which doesn't seem to have helped much IMO). Even when they made it so that only your highest score counts on the boards, it didn't really do much for participation. If you lose, you still have to make up lost ground for the points you lost. Combine that with multiple losses and the aforementioned deck stacked against you in some cases, and realistically, who's going to look at that and go "Oh shucks. I just need to try harder!"

They could even tie old rewards to number of kills/assists just as they did the minions. It's no less a show of skill if you killed or healed X number of players in the small seasonal window that those rewards were available versus doing it at your own pace. Some people hunt to the exclusion of everything else and already have their Centurio Tiger. Others go at a more relaxed pace - and know that it will still be there even if it takes them years. That encourages people to continue.

[Nirokun]

I will preface my reply to you by saying that this reply is not to you, actually. It's not directed at you because you deem yourself a "collector" and don't care about anything other that being able to acquire everything in the game.

This reply is just to undo any misinformation you cause, so that others reading this thread can not be swayed wrongfully.

If the same rewards were attainable season after season, saying "I'll get there next time!" would make a lot more sense. It would be akin to downing a boss in Savage -- you learn the mechanics, optimize your class and work with your team. Victory is practically assured this way.

Same rewards, no. Seasonal rewards is more like the Olympics, you compete for a medal for that season. I cannot participate in the Olympics, win a gold medal, and ask for it to say another year. One, it doesn't make sense at all, two, I didn't compete against the people from that year, at that time, with that competition.

Season 1, my first top 100, was when machinists (and to a smaller extent, Bards) could outright DELETE you. I made it to the top 100 on summoner alone, I never benefited from having a machinist on my team because I play ranged. The pool of players were vicious, and I climbed through, against their overarching superiority by finding and exploiting a weakness in their gameplay (a reliance on buffs and being relatively weak between their incredible bursts, I could virus the burst and nullify one of their strongest buffs and make the burst non-lethal). You cannot do that nowadays and retroactively claim to do what I did. I believe there was only 1 other summoner on the board when I made top 100, I never played against him (I remember because I would try to learn from other summoners when matched against them), but I heard he was an amazing summoner.

Feast can stack the deck against you right from the start (poor matchmaking + a very limited and shrinking pool to draw from + queues that last for hours), and that can make even the most determined player feel defeated right out of the gate.

This is irrelevant, this happens to everyone and everyone has the same opportunity to compete.

And I agree that losing SHOULD spur you to try harder -- but we all know that losing is the core source of the toxicity in Feast. So much so that they had to remove the chat and adjust the skills to encourage more people to play (which doesn't seem to have helped much IMO). Even when they made it so that only your highest score counts on the boards, it didn't really do much for participation. If you lose, you still have to make up lost ground for the points you lost. Combine that with multiple losses and the aforementioned deck stacked against you in some cases, and realistically, who's going to look at that and go "Oh shucks. I just need to try harder!"

Losing resulting in toxicity is a personality issue. Because *some people* have poor sportsmanship doesn't mean you dismantle the competitive model and give the prizes away, that doesn't make sense. Deal with the problem directly and address directly those that bring down the game mode. If people don't want to play the game mode for fear of *some people* being negative, then they don't deserve top 100 because they didn't compete.

They could even tie old rewards to number of kills/assists just as they did the minions. It's no less a show of skill if you killed or healed X number of players in the small seasonal window that those rewards were available versus doing it at your own pace. Some people hunt to the exclusion of everything else and already have their Centurio Tiger. Others go at a more relaxed pace - and know that it will still be there even if it takes them years. That encourages people to continue.

Top prizes are top prizes. They are not handouts, they are not participation rewards. Achieve top 100, get top prizes. Anything less is, quite literally, "less a show of skill" because you didn't win as much as the people that made into top 100.

[Stormfur]

Likewise, this thread isn't directed at you personally, but to anyone who tries to paint me in a certain and very wrong light, I'm going to clarify it right now.

It's not directed at you because you deem yourself a "collector" and don't care about anything other that being able to acquire everything in the game.

This reply is just to undo any misinformation you cause, so that others reading this thread can not be swayed wrongfully.

Wow. Talk about misinformation! I'm the farthest thing from a collector. I have a grand total of....*checks minion website* 154 of 292 minions or just slightly over half. Yep. Some collector I am. You, Nirokun, have more minions than I do.

I cannot participate in the Olympics, win a gold medal, and ask for it to say another year.

You guys keep comparing this to the Olympics. It is a video game. Winning in Feast is no more like the Olympics than winning the child's game Operation makes you a brain surgeon.

Losing resulting in toxicity is a personality issue. Because *some people* have poor sportsmanship doesn't mean you dismantle the competitive model and give the prizes away, that doesn't make sense.

I don't want to dismantle Feast. I don't want to give the prizes away. I want to encourage more people to play it (something it desperately needs) by making rewards more attainable. Like what was suggested at the beginning of this thread, I'd like old rewards purchasable with wolf collars in time. Not marks, collars, and a decent amount of them too. That way, you have to actually PLAY the mode to get the reward. And just like with Primal mounts and Savage modes, the ones who scored in the top 100 or otherwise beat the mode first get their rewards first. I have no problem with that at all.

Opening up Feast rewards to more of the playerbase won't suddenly nullify your achievement. The devs did this with the minions (because the JP playerbase was upset about it), and guess what! A grand total of 3.5% of players have the Hellhound minion. Some people won't touch Feast with a 10-foot pole no matter WHAT you put in there. I agree, those people shouldn't get the reward from that mode. Hell, even with Rival Wings, which was speedhacked-to-death practically upon its inception, requires an infusion of participation from the playerbase on specific days because no one plays it. . I don't want to see that happen to Feast.

I wish they would deal with the problem directly. I enjoy Feast and I have played every season since Season 3 (to varying degrees because of real-life things). But it is rife with problems and as these problems continue and escalate, fewer and fewer people participate. Feast needs a resuscitation and it shouldn't be left up to the playerbase to carry it's barely-clinging-to-life corpse through the streets and tell people how great it is.

[Aviars]

I don't want to give the prizes away.

They could even tie old rewards to number of kills/assists just as they did the minions.

Says one thing and says another



At the end of the day, top 100 rewards for top 100 players and they should stay season locked. Nirokun is on point.

I also want to say that the minions were changed from a top reward to a general reward. The top 10 were still compensated with another exclusive top 10 reward that you can no longer get buddy.